Lewis Goodall

They know that it can't be incremental change.

They agree with him that they don't need spreadsheets.

They need a story.

But they see a man, a leader who who just says that who.

Well, and it is more spreadsheet than story and whose whole politics fundamentally is incremental improvement.

And he himself has set that challenge, set that yardstick that he probably can't meet.

When we come back, we're going to be speaking to big power player within the Labour Party.

Mayor Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, of course, who is marking his 10th year in office and certainly, I think, wondering whether or not Keir Starmer will get to that same objective that he set himself of getting to 10 years as Prime Minister.

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Mehr Khan, let's just be very, very direct and clear.

Do you think on the basis of what you heard in the Prime Minister's speech today, that he should go on in his job, that he deserves to go on in his job?

So you say there needs to be a fundamental change in substance on the basis of what you heard in that speech.

Was that a fundamental change in substance?

For example, going into one of the things the Prime Minister cited, he said we can't have incremental change.

He said that we need to be back in the heart of Europe.

But he seemed to be offering incremental change in terms of our relationship with Europe on the basis of what he said.

Was it enough?

And you think rejoining the customs union and single market in advance of the next general election?

But Mekong, you think that the answer to these elections for the Labour Party to restore trust would be for the Labour Party to break its manifesto pledge and go back on the red lines on single market and customs union?

and to turn around to all those places in the Red Wall which were highly Brexit voting, which have just endorsed, again, Nigel Farage via the Reform Party to say, we're going to go back, reopen Brexit and join these institutions.