Lewis Goodall

We've seen it over the past 24 months now.

Everyone you actually speak to in the Labour Party believes that Keir Starmer is a disaster for the Labour Party and is proving himself a disaster for the Labour Party.

The question is, is whether the Labour Party for once has got enough guts, enough bottle to do something about it.

Why do I say that?

Look, lots of things can be true at once, right?

There are complexities with these election results and with politics at the moment.

We know that Labour is losing ground in every direction.

They're losing to reform.

They're losing to the Greens.

And very often it is the Green vote which is costing Labour individual seats.

Absolutely.

So it's not just all in one direction to the right.

Reform are often winning on small percentage of the vote for the reason you say, John, which is that we've got a fragmented party system being funneled into this absurd anachronism, really, of first past the post.

But none of that takes away from the fact that

that if you look around the country in places as different geographically and in tenor as Hartlepool, Tamworth, Tameside, Redditch, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Wigan, Bolton, Salford, Southampton, what we're seeing in Wales, what we're seeing in Scotland, reform...

are taking their place, arguably, as the most national party of any of the parties which are contesting these elections.

A party that can genuinely say it is representing Great Britain from North, South, East and West.

And the truth is, is that what makes these election results different for reform by comparison, you're right, Emily, Farage has been around for a long time.

He's had lots of different political outfits, lots of different political incarnations.

None of them