Lex Fridman

Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, and they move north and east of the Americas, the Caribbean, the Atlantic to each major consumer markets.

Yeah, this is a machine fueled by a lot of money and a lot of brutality.

Number of cocaine users worldwide is about 25 million people.

Users.

Users.

So there's a market.

And when there's a market, you're going to find the way.

And...

Me as somebody who is afraid of heights, and I've got a chance to interact with you a bunch, you're in some sense fearless.

And I've watched you climb a lot of trees.

You've helped me climb a tree.

And there's this wonderful part of the book where you talk about finding the tallest tree in the forest you knew at the time.

And that was something that you passed and thought was impossible to climb.

And you talk about climbing it.

You take us through the experience of that.

And that leads you to seeing the Mist River in the rainforest as the sun rises.

I was wondering if you could talk to the story of that, both for, at least for me, but even for you at that time, the terrifying process of climbing a tree like that.

for the first time with JJ at the bottom cheering you on, and what it felt like to see the Mist River.

And so when you say it's a lot of strength is involved, so there's very few places to rest.

You're essentially just lifting the whole time.