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Lex Fridman

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

In essence...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

The goal was to formalize all of mathematics in precise axiomatic systems and then prove, using only very elementary finitary reasoning about symbols, that these systems are free of contradiction.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Right, exactly right.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Just for clarification, you use the word theory.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Is it in this context synonymous with axiomatic system?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

So theory includes both the axioms and the consequences of the axioms, and you use it interchangeably, and the context is supposed to help you figure out which of the two you're talking about, the axioms or the consequences.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Or maybe to you, they're basically the same.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

And that's, of course, connected to the halting problem.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

All of these contradictions and paradoxes are all nicely, beautifully interconnected.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

So can we just linger on Gerdes' Completeness Theorem?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

You mentioned the two components there.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

There's so many questions to ask.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

What is the difference between provability and truth?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

What is true and what is provable?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Maybe that's a good line to draw.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Yeah, it has the disquotation.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

Yeah, a mathematician comes to mind that said he has a proof, but the margins are too small to continue.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

So that doesn't count as a proof.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

So what is, again, the tension between truth and proof, which is more powerful, and how do the two interplay with the contradictions that we've been discussing?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#488 – Infinity, Paradoxes that Broke Mathematics, Gödel Incompleteness & the Multiverse – Joel David Hamkins

How traumatic is that, that there are statements that are independent from the theory?

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