Lex Fridman

had to have been done before Claude Code, Codex, OpenClaw.

So you were anticipating the future, essentially.

And that comes from what?

From the whispers, from the understanding what all the state of the art is?

Yeah, it's a really special moment.

I'm not exactly sure why it captured so much of the world's attention, but it did, more than Cloud Code and Codex and so on.

Because consumers could reach it.

Sure, yeah.

But there's also so much of this is vibes and...

And Peter, I had a podcast with him, a wonderful human being.

So part of it is also the humans that represent the thing.

Yeah, no doubt.

Part of it is memes and the... Because we're all trying to figure it out.

There's really serious and complicated security concerns about...

when you have such powerful technology, how do you hand over your data so they can do useful stuff, but then there are scary things associated with that, and we as a civilization, as individual people, and as a civilization figuring out how to find that right balance.

And NVIDIA put forward Nemo Claw.

Yeah, exactly.

They install it super easy.

So you eloquently explained how we have a long history of blockers that we thought were going to be blockers and we overcame them.

But now looking into the future, what do you think might be the blockers?