Lex Fridman

world-class engineering teams and just this technology ecosystem that produces so many incredible products.

Plus culturally, it's pretty cool to be an engineer.

It connects to all the components that you're mentioning.

It's a builder nation.

It's a builder nation.

To take a small tangent, because you mentioned open source, I have to go to Perplexity here, who you have been a fan of a long time.

I love it, yeah.

And thank you for releasing open source Nematron 3 Super, which you can also use inside Perplexity to look stuff up, which is a 120 billion parameter open weight MOE model.

What's your vision with open source?

So you mentioned China with DeepSeq and Minimax with all these companies really pushing forward the open source AI movement.

And NVIDIA is really leading the way in close to state-of-the-art open source LLMs.

Well, I have to say, once again, thank you for open sourcing, really, truly open sourcing Nemetron 3.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

It's really incredible.

You're originally from Taiwan and have a close relationship with TSMC.

So I have to ask, TSMC, I think, also is a legendary company in terms of the engineering teams, in terms of the incredible engineering work that they do.

What do you understand about TSMC culture and their approach that explains how they're able to achieve this singular unmatched success in everything they're doing with semiconductors?

Where they trust, I mean, there's a really close relationship there that you have established, and that trust is established based on many years of performance, but there's human relationships involved there as well.

Okay.

There's a story that in 2013, the founders of TSMC, Morris Chang, offered you the chance to become TSMC's chief executive.