Lex Fridman

Yeah, this view of token factories, essentially, this token per second per watt and every token having value.

Like it's an actual thing that brings value and it brings different kinds of value, different amounts of value to different people with value.

That's the actual product.

It really can be loosely thought of as the token.

And so you have a bunch of token factories and it's very easy, first principles to imagine a future given all the potential things that AI can solve that you're going to need an exponential number more of token factories.

Wait, are you saying open clause iPhone?

Yeah.

That says something.

Yeah.

There's something truly, as you know,

something truly special happening from about December where people really woke up to the power of cloud code of codex of open claw.

Um, I mean, I've embarrassed to admit that in the way here in the airport,

This is the first time I've done this in public.

I was programming, quote unquote, by talking to my laptop.

And I was embarrassed because I was pretending like I'm talking to a human colleague.

I'm not sure how I feel about the future where everybody is walking around talking to their AI, but it's such an efficient way to get stuff done.

What an incredible future.

I read that you attribute a lot of your success to your ability to work harder than anyone and withstand more suffering than anyone.

So we can list many of the things that entails.

I mean, dealing with failure, the constant engineering problems we've talked about, the human problems, uncertainty, responsibility, exhaustion, embarrassment, the near-death company moments that you've mentioned, but also the pressure.