Lex Fridman

You said, I think accurately, that the AGI timeline question rests on your definition of AGI.

So let me ask you about possible timelines here.

This ridiculous definition, perhaps, of what AGI is, but an AI system that's able to essentially do your job.

So start, grow, and run a successful technology company.

That's worth... A good one or a one?

No, it has to be worth more than a billion, more than a billion dollars.

So, you know, you know how hard it is to do all of those components.

So how far are we away from...

that.

So we're talking about OpenClaw that does all the incredibly complex stuff that are required to, first of all, innovate, to find customers, to sell to them, to manage, to build a team of some agents, some humans, all that kind of stuff.

Is this 5, 10, 15, 20 years away?

I think it's now.

I think we've achieved AGI

Interesting.

Achieve virality and monetize that virality.

You're going to get a lot of people excited with that statement.

It's like, what do you mean?

So you think it's possible that let's even take coding.

You think the number of programmers in the world might increase?

Yes.