Lex McMiniman

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Um, and then I would say the, the, I want Ella to talk about the transcript and like interview stuff, but like the intro, I think is probably where I spent the most of my time editing this piece and like adding stuff and, um,

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Um, and then I would say the, the, I want Ella to talk about the transcript and like interview stuff, but like the intro, I think is probably where I spent the most of my time editing this piece and like adding stuff and, um,

a lot of adding stuff it ballooned like we wanted this to be a lot shorter than it was and then it just kept feeling like there were more pieces to really tie it together but i would say like the reason that was the case is because it was a really hard line to walk to acknowledge that like people would be clicking on this in part because of elon but that we wanted to like trick them into coming for elon but staying for vivian yeah like it's not about elon nor like should it be yeah

a lot of adding stuff it ballooned like we wanted this to be a lot shorter than it was and then it just kept feeling like there were more pieces to really tie it together but i would say like the reason that was the case is because it was a really hard line to walk to acknowledge that like people would be clicking on this in part because of elon but that we wanted to like trick them into coming for elon but staying for vivian yeah like it's not about elon nor like should it be yeah

a lot of adding stuff it ballooned like we wanted this to be a lot shorter than it was and then it just kept feeling like there were more pieces to really tie it together but i would say like the reason that was the case is because it was a really hard line to walk to acknowledge that like people would be clicking on this in part because of elon but that we wanted to like trick them into coming for elon but staying for vivian yeah like it's not about elon nor like should it be yeah

Right. And so, like, Ellen and I had a Zoom with Vivian in, what, November was the first one?

Right. And so, like, Ellen and I had a Zoom with Vivian in, what, November was the first one?

Right. And so, like, Ellen and I had a Zoom with Vivian in, what, November was the first one?

Yeah, November, December. So she could kind of get our vibe and just kind of suss out if she was willing to consider this at all. And one of the earliest things she said was, like, I don't really want to talk about him. I don't want this to be about him. And we were really down for that. Like, we don't think that her story is about him, ultimately.

Yeah, November, December. So she could kind of get our vibe and just kind of suss out if she was willing to consider this at all. And one of the earliest things she said was, like, I don't really want to talk about him. I don't want this to be about him. And we were really down for that. Like, we don't think that her story is about him, ultimately.

Yeah, November, December. So she could kind of get our vibe and just kind of suss out if she was willing to consider this at all. And one of the earliest things she said was, like, I don't really want to talk about him. I don't want this to be about him. And we were really down for that. Like, we don't think that her story is about him, ultimately.

It felt really important and it was also challenging to make sure that... we felt like people were coming away with it from this without like a garbled interpretation of what the stakes were for her to be coming forward.

It felt really important and it was also challenging to make sure that... we felt like people were coming away with it from this without like a garbled interpretation of what the stakes were for her to be coming forward.

It felt really important and it was also challenging to make sure that... we felt like people were coming away with it from this without like a garbled interpretation of what the stakes were for her to be coming forward.

Like we wanted it to be, especially right now, while so much of mainstream media is really fumbling their coverage of like politics at this moment, it felt really important to be like super trans politics, especially, especially. And then also just like, All of it. All of it, and then especially trans politics.

Like we wanted it to be, especially right now, while so much of mainstream media is really fumbling their coverage of like politics at this moment, it felt really important to be like super trans politics, especially, especially. And then also just like, All of it. All of it, and then especially trans politics.

Like we wanted it to be, especially right now, while so much of mainstream media is really fumbling their coverage of like politics at this moment, it felt really important to be like super trans politics, especially, especially. And then also just like, All of it. All of it, and then especially trans politics.

We just really wanted the intro to be as strong and also informative and also kind of funny and also just all the things. And I would say that probably took the most time. Ella, correct me if I'm wrong.

We just really wanted the intro to be as strong and also informative and also kind of funny and also just all the things. And I would say that probably took the most time. Ella, correct me if I'm wrong.

We just really wanted the intro to be as strong and also informative and also kind of funny and also just all the things. And I would say that probably took the most time. Ella, correct me if I'm wrong.