Liam Byrne

And so people are prepared to roll the dice, as Kelly Beaver from Ipsos puts it.

Not with leaders that are unknown, by the way, because actually, if you think about Trump, Farage, Le Pen, they've actually been around for a long time.

They're the two that have been on the fringes, but actually people have a familiarity with them and they just think...

Right, it is time to roll the dice and just try something else.

Yeah.

Well, you'd have seen it in Burnley.

Yeah.

I saw it in Harlow, where I grew up in Essex.

So many people go, I don't know what this great economy is.

No, when I was knocking on doors in Shardend in my constituency in East Birmingham,

and tried that argument, people just thought I was from a different planet because they just sort of thought, well, look, you tell me, please, what have I got to lose?

It goes back to that classic question that I think came up in Newcastle during the referendum when I think it might have been George Osborne talking about the potential hit to GDP.

And the heckler in the audience said, who's GDP?

And that is actually one of the things that I don't think we'd paid enough attention to at the back end of the new Labour years.

I think that's part of it.

But the second part is that they will always play on blaming the outsider.

So they will always find somebody to blame and say, look, if we just take on these people who are to blame...

then actually things will be okay for the rest of us.

And so that's why in politics, you do need enemies.

And it's why I go on to argue that actually mainstream politics needs to define its enemies better as the vested interests holding back our economy.