Liam Toland

Yeah, I think the way I'd answer that, Matt, is that I would say that Leinster pack is good enough to create doubt in the minds of the supporters from France and obviously Bordeaux.

And a notable place to start, we haven't seen the team sheets, but

If Peno is an example, who's a swashbuckling winger, if he starts in the 13 jersey, there's an opportunity to create significant doubt in what Bordeaux... Remember now, Bordeaux have beaten Toulouse three times this season.

Bordeaux have, on every metric, are one of the best teams to ever play the game.

So this is a brutally tough fixture for...

Leinster, but I think that concept of creating doubt is where Leinster need to go.

And I think you're right.

The pack, like you think of the players who weren't there at the start of the season had been out like Hugo Keane and Porter Joe McCarthy.

They're like fresh signings into the, into the Leinster team and a team that has struggled maybe with this identity throughout the season.

But it's kind of coming in in a place where these fresh players are coming in.

And McCarthy is an example.

Like, how brutal and physical and violent he can be, to answer your question, is of huge importance for the fixture on Saturday.

In the best case scenario, Matt, you should be asking Noel McNamara, the clear man who's coaching Bordeaux's attack and that's what's going to be fascinating about the game.

I think

What we saw against Ospreys, which is a very different level game, is the speed at which the Leinster Blue jerseys can just swallow up space and put the passing skills of Ospreys, in this case, last weekend, under enormous pressure.

They were gobbling up 25, 30 metres, which is an extraordinary amount of space they can capture.

But that's the Ospreys.

You've got to take that into account.

And I think that the part that Luka at 9...

And Jaliber at 10 is that if you can get Jaliber into cul-de-sacs, and I think part of the defensive system is to force him into cul-de-sacs.