Lily Patman

Yeah.

Well, also we should say we asked the armchairs who they wanted as experts on and she was the most requested.

Yeah.

Congrats to you guys.

And you were right. Not shocked. Thank you.

And he's definitely of age.

Oh, I like that.

That sneaks.

Hi.

Also, those people don't think it's a possibility that they would be wrongly incarcerated.

Yeah. And they also think a group of people who is being incarcerated is much different from them. And maybe they did do something bad. Maybe it wasn't this, but they probably, I mean, I've heard all this, right?

So fun.

Yeah.

Don't try to say it is.

Which is why we can have like electoral college and things like that. That are it's not just like popular.

That's exactly right.

Yeah, it's the public's fault for doing this, for villainizing that type of behavior from a powerful person. Why can't they change their mind? They should change their mind when presented with better information. That's what a person with intellectual integrity does.

It was like with COVID, a bunch of people were very upset that the initial stuff that was coming out, they ended up being like, oh, actually, now you don't need to probably lice all your fruit. They're like, oh, you were wrong. And so now we don't trust you at all. It's like, well, they're just figuring it out.

Like, that's the whole.

And also the kids that go home to environments where there's a lot of people in a small environment. Yes. A lot of adults, grandmothers, grandparents. Like, again, we don't live in that type of environment. So it's easy for us to forget that that exists.

That's true. It's not fair. You hate it, I know. Yes, because it's not fair because you actively say, I'm a centrist. You've stopped saying you're a liberal. So if you're a centrist, then you do need to call out both sides. It doesn't feel fair to me.

Old John Kerry. Yeah. Mitt Romney and Obama. Yeah. And everyone's laughing and there's agreement. It's just normal. You have your ideas about how you want the country to go, but you just don't have to hate the opponent or it doesn't have to be so extreme. Yeah.

McMahon. Yeah, McMahon.

But also that you don't have to do your job because you're campaigning.

No one, even Kamala is like, I have a gun. I'm not trying to take anyone's guns away. No one's saying that. I mean, maybe like there might be any tiny percentage, but most.

There are, but the one who is representing this side, she's like, no.

So it shouldn't be an issue.

But also that should be able to just get passed through Congress, but then we can't because there are lobbies and things.

Yeah, exactly.

But in some ways, you do want to emulate that. It's different from you, but you found that admirable.

even want change? Like, I don't think they care. I think they just want to be loud and feel like they contributed their voice. It's like selfish and arrogant.

Yeah.

Wow.

I think I'm skeptical. Skeptical is healthy. I don't know if I'm cynical. What do you think? Do you think I am?

I don't think I am.

Actually, I do think that I am hopeful, even in the face of a lot of things that don't seem it.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. No breaks.

I said, I already had to start walking to work. And can you please make sure that doesn't happen again? It's happened a few times where there's been a car right there. And she said, I have workers in the building. They will potentially be here tomorrow, too. Like, that's not the appropriate answer.

Yeah, I know.

What is wrong with everybody?

What the fuck is going on with the world?

Yeah.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah.

But she had already agreed.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's like one thing if you were doing a tattoo commercial.

Yeah. Well, you won't have to do that. I'm sure it'll get worked out, but like... I'm so... I'm just hurt by it. I know, I know.

I am sorry. That's so annoying.

But you don't.

I mean, can't... Oh, God. I guess, like, it wasn't in writing from the beginning that you could... Yeah.

Yeah, in writing.

It's like it feels violating. It does. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Yeah.

I hate people today. I do. Today. Today only. Well, I don't know how many more days, but I don't know what's going on.

Yeah. That's very frustrating. People are, are we leaving that in?

Okay.

Yeah, both of us are in the middle of some bureaucratic crises. I don't like the way I'm being spoken to at all.

Thank you.

It's so disrespectful and condescending.

I will say this to anyone who's listening. This is a PSA. If you are being represented by someone, you really need to know how they're representing you. Because during this process, a lot of what I've thought is, holy shit, I need to make sure no one on my behalf is ever speaking to anyone like this ever. Because...

Even if I might not know. And this happens with this happens in this job, too, with publicists and agents. And one time it happened. It was so it was so rough. The representative was so rough that that we were like, well, we're not going to do it.

And I know this person.

And I was like, I need to tell this person because they do. Yeah.

They were like, I'm I had no idea. And I'm so sorry that that happened. And like, I wonder how many other times this has happened.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, maybe you're right. I just think there's different levels of it. Like I know a lawyer well who I know doesn't.

Yeah.

I mean, I know multiple lawyers and I think there's a scale of how they speak to people.

And I think a very good lawyer does not speak condescendingly. They speak very directly. Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. If you're kind of nice and easy to work with and good at your job, ultimately you long term. Yeah. It works out for you. But that's all to say, I think you really have to keep an eye on who's speaking for you because that can change the public opinion of you or the personal opinion of you. Like it's dicey.

I guess it's a ding, ding, ding because this is for America's government teacher. Yes.

I know. We could have talked to her forever.

At least we're saying it.

It's not even... I, on my walk... Wait, when did we start recording? Did we talk... Did we get on air that... My car was blocked.

I walked here unexpectedly because I went to my car and it was blocked.

Yes.

Yes. And I couldn't back out. And I just got my car fixed. And I was like, I'm not like going to attempt to try to.

You should be mad about it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. And so I texted my landlord and I was like, somebody's parked here. Can you ask them to leave? Yeah. And then I'm not hearing back. So I'm like, I got to walk. So I started walking and then I got a text back that I did not like that didn't feel it's like it's just easy to say, oh, I'm sorry that happened. Yeah, we'll handle it.

Or yes, you know, I'm not there all the time, but we'll figure it out. Like, it's easy. I don't understand what happens to people's brains when I guess they feel attacked, even though this has not. It wasn't like I was like, you did this.

Yeah. Anyway, so I had to walk here.

I walked here. I was itchy.

It's hot. I put makeup on. I was like, my face is going to break out because I'm wearing makeup and I'm walking.

I did. Yeah.

No, I didn't. So on my walk, I planned on saying I'm in a really bad mood.

Yeah, I was going to tell people I was in a bad mood. And then you told me you were in a bad mood.

Too bad to make it good?

Me too. Yeah.

That's why we have support systems.

It's going to be okay. I'm going to cut my arm off. No.

We almost lost a finger this week and an arm.

Oh, yeah. How's the toe?

They care about you.

Speaking of outfits, since I walked here in this outfit, I want to shout out this sweatshirt.

It's from Kristen's show. Do you want to tell people what happened to Kmart?

How long, longer than a few years, right?

Oof. Well, RIP Kmart.

And on to Kmart. Yeah, no.

Last American one. So we got to go to Guam. All right.

Me either. I would like to go. Okay, no, but this sweatshirt is not from Kmart. It is from Hey Gang. Okay. And it is from Kristen's show. Oh. Her show, Nobody Wants This. Kristen, in one of the episodes, wears this sweatshirt. She says, oh, it's my favorite sweatshirt, and I'm going to ruin it for you, this dog. Okay.

And I obviously asked her where the sweatshirt was from.

It did.

Yeah. I was triggered a little bit.

Because of the bite.

So I asked her and she was like, yes. Get it. Get it now. Get two.

She told me to get two.

Yeah, obviously I did.

So in case one goes, gets, you know.

So anyway, it's a great sweatshirt. Highly recommend it. Get two.

And this is also why I said we shouldn't be doing that bit.

Yeah.

And no pressure. No pressure.

But we do have some good episodes in there.

Also watch us on YouTube. Watch the fact check on YouTube because it is fun.

Yeah, I enjoy it. Okay.

And you had Hannes.

You had the bug I had, I think.

That's you as well. That's also me.

Yeah.

I can't really ride a bike, but that's fine.

Oh, my God.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, that's a fair question.

I guess it's time for me to remind you that last episode, you were very concerned about me using a very tiny tool to try to get my ring off. And here you are juggling chainsaws and leaf blowers and chopping and chopping.

I mean, I'm just gonna say it feels a little lopsided.

I was cutting away from my finger, FYI.

I was under, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, God.

Okay. I don't like that.

That's not good. Yeah.

Don't do that. Wear your safety goggles, folks.

OK, there really are not that many facts because she's a teacher.

We talked about the different kinds of democracies. And there are so many. You know, there's a direct democracy, a popular democracy, a representative democracy, a parliamentary democracy, Westminster democracy, Jacksonian democracy. Jackson. I'm sorry. Parliamentary Westminster Jacksonian are all types of representative democracies.

You don't see those? There's organic or authoritarian democracy.

Democracy where the ruler holds a considerable amount of power, but their rule benefits the people. The term was first used by supporters of Bonaparte.

There's also a demarchy. It's a form of government where people are randomly selected from the citizenry through sortition to either act as general governmental representatives or to make decisions in specific areas of governance. That feels dicey. There's religious democracies. There's types based on location, types based on ethnic influence. There's autocratic democracy, anticipatory democracy.

There's so many.

Oh, there is. Democratic dictatorship. Okay.

People's democratic dictatorship is a phrase incorporated into the Constitution of the People's Republic of China and the Constitution of the Chinese Communist Party.

The premise of the people's democratic dictatorship is that the CCP and state represent and act on behalf of the people, but in the preservation of the dictatorship of the proletariat possesses and may use powers against reactionary forces.

I don't think it's real.

Well, exactly, or you just don't leave. Okay, the number, this was in 2023, but 87% of voters surveyed said they support requiring criminal background checks for all gun buyers.

That's overwhelming.

I'm looking at a Gallup poll also on abortion and the amount of people who think, it's over 50%, the amount of people who think it should be considered in certain circumstances.

But it says legal under any circumstances, the percentage is 35, which that's high, or I think sort of. Legal only under certain is 50. Illegal in all 12, no opinion, three. So actually legal is very high.

No, that is 35, 50, 12, three.

Illegal in all.

So really, if it's legal only under certain, that's 50, and legal under any being 35, that is- Oh, okay. That makes sense. Really high.

Which is similar to the guns.

What's your graph?

I know. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

Yeah, I'm definitely for it.

That's funny. I never smell it.

Not very many at all. Every time I've done it, I don't like it.

Did you smoke weed or- Did it in college a couple times?

No, bong.

Oh, I never smoked a joint, I guess is my- That's different, right?

And you coughed.

Has that happened? I guess I coughed. I don't know if I did it right. I'm not very good at inhaling.

I don't know if I did that.

I've never had an edible, I don't think. Right.

Mm-mm.

Yeah. No, I don't like it.

The marijuana vape.

I have used that. It's not for me.

Yeah.

To try it.

I just don't think I felt like I got anything from it positively.

I know, but I think booze can do that.

Sometimes I think it makes me smarter.

Yeah, I'm like, these thoughts are just coming back.

But I wonder if I was with sober people, if they would be like, no, you sound dumb.

No, you're friendly sober.

I doubt it. I doubt it.

Yeah.

Yeah, would you do it? I don't think you would do it.

Oh, do you? Okay.

Yeah.

And you don't miss it.

Yeah.

Exactly.

I don't see why you would. Yeah. Even as someone who likes it, I don't see why you would.

No, no, I am. I'm really thinking like I don't see why you would because for one, you're also like you have a really strict diet. Like it doesn't really make sense for you to incorporate it back in. It doesn't. Even if it was only two. Oh, hi.

Oh, are you guys going to go get hay and stuff? I'm going to sue.

funny you'd say that yeah very funny uh we we're gonna hire very nice lawyers to deal with whoever yeah all right we'll get out of here so i can finish and then we can go all right i love you welcome home bye buddy um okay so and then that happens and i go i don't i don't care about my tattoo thing what do i so you're gonna erase them

No.

No. With your chainsaw?

What? No, of course I don't know that.

It's literally what I was doing with my finger.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Listen, you're not going to need to do that. I'll just say I don't think you would drink again.

I don't know that you'd like it anymore.

You liked the feeling of it?

I just wonder now, though, if like... You're going to wake up and you're going to have a little bit of a headache. Like it's going to, it's, it's, your body's also different.

And it, and you're probably going to be like, oh boy, this isn't the same. Two doesn't feel good. Two doesn't feel great. I don't want to work out today. Yeah.

Yeah.

It makes sense.

But it's not wanting more if there is a pill that just is...

Available. It's not like you're like, I'm spending, I'm devoting some of my life. Ew.

I think it was a, yeah.

Jeez. I hated that. Because I'm already so itchy. Yeah. I'm very itchy.

Oh, that's fine. It's not like you're saying, I'm going to devote two hours every day to figuring out a pill. That is costing you. That's taking away from your good life. But if it's just available, why wouldn't you?

And if we knew for sure it wasn't going to hurt you. But if you're saying we don't know for sure if it's going to hurt you, then you shouldn't do it.

Okay. Then I don't see why there would ever be a problem.

No.

That's really warped, I think.

It's not either or. You can be happy with your life and then also there's this other cool thing that I can have with no cost.

That's like saying like, I shouldn't go to any parties because my life's so good. I shouldn't enjoy myself anymore. A really good time. Yeah.

It's probably good you feel that way. Maybe that's because of AA. Maybe it's ingrained enough, which is good.

way.

That makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Brain space.

Yeah.

Wine's so good, though.

They don't drink.

Yeah, a lot of people can't drink brown liquor. That seems to be a thing.

You do? What happened? What kind of wine was it? Oh, fuck.

Like a cab?

Okay.

By yourself.

Oh, a few bottles split.

That was my ask. Okay. Yeah.

Oh, my God.

You have told me this before. I have? Yeah, you have. I commend you that you talk about it.

Can you say it again? Because I'm not sure. I know I don't want to say it again.

It was funny you said you're so embarrassed by that.

But did Aaron, was he blackout too? Like, I assume everyone was blackout.

Oh, and your brother also wasn't?

What did you ask him?

Right.

Oh, because you were vomiteer.

Oh, no.

That's nice of you.

That's like a lot of people. I've done it like where I am like, I don't think that was like my best showing. Yeah. But also, but if everyone else is drunk, I do a bad job of not appalling. I'm just kind of like, let's just, no one needs to talk about anything anyone did because everyone did embarrassing shit.

Yeah.

That is what's interesting for me. I think in in these when there's like scuffles or fights or emotional stuff that happen, sometimes I do apologize now. But it's tricky because often whatever is being said and what's coming out, I do believe.

I want those things out there. Right. And it's sometimes it's not good that it takes the alcohol to say it.

Exactly. So then it gets like it's a little bit tricky. I mean, of course, it's apologizing for the way it happened.

But then you're sober and then you have to revisit it. And I know.

It was. It was. Which is ding, ding, ding to the government.

They process stuff. All right.

I have fantasies about transparencies.

Well, for boys, it's different.

But you could have said like, oh, it's for my girlfriends in case they forgot.

Someone posted something about her the other day, and I was like, oh!