Lionel Shriver

has been taught to believe that the demographic and ethnic racial transformation of the country, which has been drastic since 1965, is almost like a natural process, like photosynthesis.

It's like the sun shines and the immigrants come, or you water the garden and you get flowers.

It's as if nobody's making any decisions that makes such rapid demographic change possible.

But this is all the result of individual political decisions.

And it's the same in the UK.

They're being let in or, as you say, actually invited in.

I mean, my only problem with that expression is that I think often what you're dealing with is not genuinely empathy.

It's suicidal vanity.

Hmm.

It's a conceit about yourself being a good person, and you're going to inflict your goodness on everybody else.

It's sticking up for people who are vulnerable.

I often feel with these people that the groups of people they are defending, they're almost irrelevant because it's an exercise in moral display.

Yeah, I know.

It is conspicuous at any distance that the progressive view of minorities is terribly condescending.

And one of the things that's condescending is the assumption that all these illegal immigrants are innocent.

And in the United States, there's also this conceit that

They're just, you know, not only are they just seeking a better life, which is itself a, you know, portrayed as a faultless process, but they admire the United States.

You know, they love America.

They want to become a part of it.

They want to make contribution.