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Lise Olsen

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Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Bell believes he was first exposed to the program in the early 40s. He told Lisa that when he was three years old, his mother caught him disrobing another girl his age. As punishment, both of his parents beat him. Years later, he theorized that the physical abuse released hormones into his bloodstream, and that's what eventually turned him into a sex offender.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Bell believes he was first exposed to the program in the early 40s. He told Lisa that when he was three years old, his mother caught him disrobing another girl his age. As punishment, both of his parents beat him. Years later, he theorized that the physical abuse released hormones into his bloodstream, and that's what eventually turned him into a sex offender.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Because, he claimed, that was the whole point of the program, to see if a regular kid could be made into a killer. According to Bell, physical abuse was only one aspect of the program. He believes it was a vast government-sanctioned conspiracy that was kept under wraps, and Various people from all stages of his life had been in on it.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Because, he claimed, that was the whole point of the program, to see if a regular kid could be made into a killer. According to Bell, physical abuse was only one aspect of the program. He believes it was a vast government-sanctioned conspiracy that was kept under wraps, and Various people from all stages of his life had been in on it.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

This included ex-wives, his grandfather, and his own dad, along with other shadowy players working behind the scenes. He said these people used different methods of controlling him, including brainwashing. Most of them didn't work at first, he told Lisa, and because of that, his dad supposedly tried to have him assassinated at the age of 15.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

This included ex-wives, his grandfather, and his own dad, along with other shadowy players working behind the scenes. He said these people used different methods of controlling him, including brainwashing. Most of them didn't work at first, he told Lisa, and because of that, his dad supposedly tried to have him assassinated at the age of 15.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

It wasn't until 1966, when he was in his mid-20s, that he was first caught exposing himself to a group of girls. After another incident in April 1969, Bell was sent to Galveston to receive psychiatric treatment and avoid prison time. Doctors diagnosed Bell with depression and a personality disorder. By 1978, Bell had been arrested seven times, mostly for exposing himself to minors.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

It wasn't until 1966, when he was in his mid-20s, that he was first caught exposing himself to a group of girls. After another incident in April 1969, Bell was sent to Galveston to receive psychiatric treatment and avoid prison time. Doctors diagnosed Bell with depression and a personality disorder. By 1978, Bell had been arrested seven times, mostly for exposing himself to minors.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

And reports indicate it likely happened many more times than that. In fact, from prison, Bell told Lisa that the number could have been in the thousands. But Bell didn't seem to feel responsible for any of his crimes. He placed the blame on the program, which he said manipulated him to do it. At one point, he went even further and told Lisa he'd never actually killed anybody, period.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

And reports indicate it likely happened many more times than that. In fact, from prison, Bell told Lisa that the number could have been in the thousands. But Bell didn't seem to feel responsible for any of his crimes. He placed the blame on the program, which he said manipulated him to do it. At one point, he went even further and told Lisa he'd never actually killed anybody, period.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

It's hard to hear given the brutal nature of Larry Dickens' murder in Pasadena. He shot Larry in broad daylight right in front of his mother and other witnesses. The times that Bell has admitted to murder, he still blames the program. He even told Catherine Casey, author of Deliver Us, that he didn't plan to expose himself that day or even be in Pasadena.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

It's hard to hear given the brutal nature of Larry Dickens' murder in Pasadena. He shot Larry in broad daylight right in front of his mother and other witnesses. The times that Bell has admitted to murder, he still blames the program. He even told Catherine Casey, author of Deliver Us, that he didn't plan to expose himself that day or even be in Pasadena.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

He was driving down a highway when he ran into gridlock traffic and suddenly felt compelled to take a detour, like he couldn't control his actions. He told her he was basically like Frankenstein's monster. Bell also credits the program with what happened after he killed Larry.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

He was driving down a highway when he ran into gridlock traffic and suddenly felt compelled to take a detour, like he couldn't control his actions. He told her he was basically like Frankenstein's monster. Bell also credits the program with what happened after he killed Larry.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Just 24 hours after he was booked for Larry's murder, Bell posted Bond and walked out of jail. Then he fled the country and remained a wanted fugitive for over 14 years. In Panama, Bell thought that the agents of the program were tailing him, studying his movements. He got the impression that they had wanted him to run all along.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

Just 24 hours after he was booked for Larry's murder, Bell posted Bond and walked out of jail. Then he fled the country and remained a wanted fugitive for over 14 years. In Panama, Bell thought that the agents of the program were tailing him, studying his movements. He got the impression that they had wanted him to run all along.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

In December 1992, the TV show Unsolved Mysteries aired a segment on him. They recreated the murder of Larry Dickens, with Matthew McConaughey playing Larry in his first on-screen credited role. Less than three months later, Bell was found in Panama, living aboard a small boat with his teenage girlfriend. Authorities extradited him to the U.S., and this time, he stayed in prison for good.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

In December 1992, the TV show Unsolved Mysteries aired a segment on him. They recreated the murder of Larry Dickens, with Matthew McConaughey playing Larry in his first on-screen credited role. Less than three months later, Bell was found in Panama, living aboard a small boat with his teenage girlfriend. Authorities extradited him to the U.S., and this time, he stayed in prison for good.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

According to Fred Page, once Bell left the U.S., the string of similar murders targeting teenage girls around Galveston stopped, which could mean he really was responsible for some or all of the murders he claimed. On the other hand, the whole idea of the program feels so outlandish that it casts a cloud of doubt over everything.

Serial Killers
The Eleven Who Went to Heaven: The Case Against Ed Bell Pt. 2

According to Fred Page, once Bell left the U.S., the string of similar murders targeting teenage girls around Galveston stopped, which could mean he really was responsible for some or all of the murders he claimed. On the other hand, the whole idea of the program feels so outlandish that it casts a cloud of doubt over everything.