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Liz Lopatto

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The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

contract law.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

I think the lead lawyer for Musk is an IP lawyer, which is definitely not the same thing.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

That kind of tells you what you need to know.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

He's not hiring the authorities in this kind of law.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

He's hiring whoever will take the case.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

I mean, again, if it were not Elon Musk, it wouldn't have gone.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

Yeah, basically, because the questions that the jury is being asked to decide are questions of fact, and so they're not really things that the judge can rule on.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

The judge rules on law.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

So, you know, I would argue, having looked at what evidence has already been released, this is a pretty clear cut case and it's like open eyes to lose.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

Now, maybe there's going to be some like surprise legal maneuver that comes out and like we're all blown away, you know, legal legal drama style.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

But that's that's that mostly doesn't happen.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

So the fact that it is a question of facts rather than a question of law is the reason we're in front of a jury.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

And it's just because the facts are so strongly lined up against Musk that everybody's surprised that we're going forward because most lawyers would be like, this is a waste of my time.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

Well, my personal favorite, which I'm just going to start with, is from a legal filing.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

It's not going to make it into the case because in the filing, Musk's lawyers were arguing successfully, as it turns out, to get it excluded.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

But it's a line of questioning in his deposition from OpenAI's lawyers who are asking him, does he know what rhinocat is?

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

Does he know what rhinocatamine is?

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

Did he do rhinocatamine at Burning Man in 2017?

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

It's it.

The Vergecast
Musk and Altman go to court

This is, you know, and like they actually they can ask about Burning Man, by the way, because that is a period of time that is relevant to this case.