Liz Plank

And then what we're seeing on the manosphere is like, it's like a mirror of that, right?

Just like on the side of the manosphere, the people who are at the helm of these like movements who are monetizing them are not even living the life that they are claiming is this ideal, right?

And it's the same thing with women.

I mean, you brought up Erica Kirk, who's like,

Okay, so she's like the trad wife, we're supposed to, you know, look up to Candace Owens, who has like, you know, like, is a true trad wife, though.

Like, I love their life.

Yeah, it's inspiring.

It's for sure.

I Yeah, I want to I want to be just like her.

Okay, so you're asking me to read it?

Yeah, yeah.

You know you've sent the message to your family that you want to be a trad wife when your birthday gifts consist of kitchen supplies, cleaning supplies, home decor, and dresses.

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Yeah.

it's like getting gum you know when someone keeps offering you gum all the time you're like am i do i have bad breath that's exactly right um yeah i don't know anyone who's happy about getting cleaning supplies i mean except like monica from friends like like a like i just it is an immediate insult um and also like boring like why would i can you just buy windex

in 2020 during the pandemic right around that time is when the internet got really shitty right like i think there's this whole you know sort of trending conversation that's been going on for maybe like a couple of months about 2016. you know 2016 being like the last good year and this sort of idea that it was like the golden age and you know and and yeah infinite scrolling people don't remember i mean that's how i don't know how old you guys are but like

there were infinite scrolling is a new pretty new modern in invention like i remember a social media um that that didn't like you where you were on it and then you were done right and so then you could move on you'd be like oh i've seen everything bye i'm gonna go outside now and so i also you know weirdly enough it's almost like that part of the internet that you're describing you know trad alt right i mean it's pretty negative right like even if it's

even if it's, I don't know, helpful, quote unquote, to some of these men that were lost or lonely, it still was like solving their problems in a really sort of like, it was not like helping them be better people or like feel better about their lives.

Um, then, then that cottage core thing almost feels like a response, you know, to like wanting to go offline and sort of, I mean, it's off the grid.

All of it feels like a big coping mechanism for the world getting like really weird and the internet being the,