Liz Woods

And like, that's all he can do.

He can't prove it any other way.

And this girl, Kate, was like, I don't know, it could still be like not genuine.

I, yeah, I think that the people who are saying that he probably like shouldn't have been on the show were on to something.

Yes.

And I think Jackie came away like really hating him and really being on KB's side.

And like I just don't agree with that.

I think when there's such like a clearly uneven relationship, I'm not really going to like side with the person who's giving a laundry list of things, even if they're true.

I know.

I'm sure they are.

I'm sure he was doing X, Y, Z. And he kept saying, like, oh, well, you know, but I love you.

Like, he was toxic.

However, like, to me, she was clearly more emotionally mature than him.

But I don't know.

What's to remember?

Like, this was an engagement.

Yeah.

And she liked—that's her thing.

She likes having, like, a list and data to back up.

Which, by the way, like, there's something to be said about that because when you're in the heat of an argument, it can be hard to, like, remember the things that you're thinking of.