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Logan Kilpatrick

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The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And you look at the models and the models can't follow the basic instructions of chess.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

The models want to make all these illegal moves.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

They want to do all this stuff that just isn't

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

how to actually play the game and is a good reminder that like, we're obviously making progress, but we're not, we're not at AGI yet.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Um, right.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And there's this like jagged intelligence paradigm where like the models are really can generate the code for Minecraft, uh, or some, something that looks or feels like Minecraft.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And yet at the same time, can't follow the basic instructions of chess, which I could probably teach a, you know, a 12 year old who's

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Made it through some years of school how to play chess and probably 30 minutes and they'd be able to pick it up.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

So it is it is fascinating to see that that model behavior play out in that way.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah, this is definitely part of my like joke is, you know, everything comes back to instruction following.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

So if you can just make the model better at instruction following, you can do anything.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And like chess is a good example of that.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Like technically, if you were to just make the model good at instruction following, you should be able to give it really, really good instructions.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And it should be able to go in and generalize from that.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

The reality is like it's not that easy.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

it's not that clear.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And to answer the question specifically, like it's an open research question, like how much does making the models better at these games actually generalize to other capabilities?

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

Hopefully it does.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Google AI Studio Deep Dive: From Vibe Coding to AGI with Logan Kilpatrick

And you could imagine as part of the original, like deep mind thesis is you teach the models, a bunch of stuff about all these different environments and the