Lorde
Appearances
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Aber fühlst du das? Fühlst du dich, als du mehr Profile bekommst, als wenn du sagst, ich muss es locken und zusammen haben?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
This is such a good question. I feel like, what do I feel like? I feel like at the end of Maladrama, I really had this kind of, not meltdown, but I remember feeling all of a sudden like, whoa, hang on, this thing that was my hobby that I did like after school is now like my employment and I employ all these other people. It's gotten too big. Like I'm a kid.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I just felt this thing of like, ah, like... I felt scared, I didn't know, I was getting that little bit older, like the new kind of like crop were coming in and I was like, oh my god, I don't know if I want to do this at this level. I felt like really overwhelmed and just like went home to New Zealand, got a dog and sort of
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I don't know, had this moment of sort of being like, I don't know if I want to do all of that. Like I'm just going to be this kind of girl who's like sort of off the map and like really mysterious and sort of like even more distant. And Soulpower came from a place of like feeling very joyful and, you know, chill and like it was also so crazy touring melodrama. Like I found it very
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
For that whole time, very intense to be in this very hardcore music. I don't know, I for some reason found it very intense. And I just wanted something that felt very light and easy after that. But it was cool. I love Solar Power so much and I truly needed to make it. I wouldn't be here with another album if I hadn't made Solar Power. But I think it showed me that...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
You sort of don't... You sort of just have no choice but to be who you're supposed to be. Me sort of disappearing and being all wafty and... Auf der Straße dachte ich mir, ich denke nicht, dass das ich bin. Ich denke, ich bin nur diese Person, die versucht hat, diese Bangers zu machen, die uns alle auflösen. Und die uns alle auflösen. Und die uns alle auflösen. Und die uns alle auflösen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I don't think I'm supposed to vibe out. I love to vibe out. That is me to my core. In an alternate universe where I just lived in New Zealand and worked at an organic farm or something. That would be my vibe. But it's not the life for me, I think, right now.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Because it is a funny thing, like, when you start putting stuff out from a young age, like, you're gonna grow and change. You were young, too. I was, like, so young, and, you know, I think it's okay if... Whether you make stuff or not, if it just doesn't all move in a straight line, it's cool. The zig and the zag is actually a really awesome part of it all. I have no regrets ever.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
For any zig, any zag, even the ones that are uncomfortable in the moment or don't feel as representative or whatever. You gotta love it all. It gets you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich fühle mich, als ob alles, was ich gemacht habe, für jeden etwas tun würde. Es ist wirklich sehr schwer für mich. Verstehst du? Nein, ich bin nicht verrückt. Manche Tage ist es wirklich hart. Ich bin einfach so, wow, es ist so bewegend für mich. Es gibt ein paar fucking Slammers auf dem Album. Bitte erzähl mir einen. Ich meine, es gibt so verrückte Wörter.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
We started making it I sort of tried to start making it sort of mid-23 and I just went crazy instead and went to London and Ja, ich hatte einen mentalen Ausbruch. Ich wurde Single und ich weiß nicht, was alles passiert ist. Und dann, am Ende des Jahres 2023, haben wir angefangen, das zu machen. Wir haben geschrieben, was das war. Und ich habe gesagt, okay, das ist krass.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Dieses Album ist mehr wie... Ich versuche, einen zu denken, den du cool denkst.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
There's a song that I love so much called Clear Blue that is about unprotected sex. And just this experience of taking a pregnancy test and this flood of emotions that goes through your body. Whatever you want to say, it's such a... Und das ganze Lied zerstört mich so. Ich kann es nicht mal wirklich hören.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Okay, so the cover is my pelvis and then my IUD. And the cover, yeah, I just had this.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I mean, you know, it is a very, it's an abstract image. Okay, cool, cool, cool. But they are weird, like I wouldn't expect, I didn't know what they looked like until I had one.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Sort of like maybe six months in that I wanted to take a lot of x-rays and like ultrasounds and MRIs. It felt like a really interesting kind of like techy but like mystical type of image capture. Like and seeing like right into you and right through you. Yeah. But also like so much information is lost, like it's quite mysterious. But it was funny, like I
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
making the album before i even sort of figured this out i was like using the x-ray emoji a lot text to friends like it just sort of felt like where i was at like i was just trying to like see right into myself and i would like i don't know a friend would send me a text and i'd be like wow like x-ray emoji yeah and i started like using it online a lot and so funny when the album comfort came out the like kids and i like read it were like some of them were kind of like you know um
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh, like, this was such a, like, she was just teasing this for such a long time. Why did she tease it? I'm like, you don't understand. I had no idea that was going to be in the cover. Like that, using that emoji sent me to the cover. Like this whole album was just so, I would see something written down somewhere and I would write it down and that would make it into a song or
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich weiß nicht, es war nur ein sehr offener Prozess der Kreativität, wo man manchmal sagt, oh, ich schreibe das Ding zu meinem Freund oft. Ich denke, das ist Teil des Albums.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
We took a whole lot of x-rays. No, I just sort of like took all these x-rays and was like, I think it's going to be something like that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Okay, so we actually did. But I can't tell you, because I might use it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I might use it for something else. No, the album had a full other name for most of the time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I think it needs a name that is more reflective of what it is. And it changed. But that's never happened to me before.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Solvay hatte ich, bevor ich das Album begonnen habe. Melodrama hatte ich, ja, etwa halbwegs durch. Pure Heroine hatte ich bis zum Ende. Aber ich hatte nie einen vollen anderen Namen. Ganz stressig, als ich dachte, ich glaube nicht, das ist es. Ich dachte, es wird kommen, es wird kommen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Good question. I feel like I basically only ever record like give or take one or two, like the amount that's on the album and then everything else is like sort of half finished. I only, yeah, it's a weird thing about me, I only really Everything I write, everything I finish, if I finish the song, it's like meant to be released. And if I don't finish it, it's not.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
There's like one Lucy hanging around. Right. Which maybe we'll see the light of day. We'll see. Oh my God. I know it takes me so long to squeeze out these old nuggets. Right. It takes me years. It's like not even that long.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wir haben uns kennengelernt, weil ich seine Namen in einigen Krediten gesehen habe. Ich bin ein echter Genius-Lerker. Ich sehe Leute in den Krediten. Er hat ein paar Dinge gemacht, die ich cool fand. Anfang 2022... Ich habe mich mit ihm getroffen und dachte mir, dass wir eine Generation der Bangers zusammen machen sollen. So intensiv. Er meinte, genau, genau.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich dachte mir, ich glaube, wir haben das in uns und wir haben eine Angelegenheit, das zu tun. Ich dachte mir, das ist unsere Obligation. Er meinte, cool, okay, lass uns etwas probieren.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Was he there for that? No, he wasn't there for that, which is sad for him. How did we come up with it? Well, I... Also, ich bin jeden Tag im Park. Ich denke, es ist eine unglaubliche Sache, wenn man in New York City lebt, dass es solche Räume gibt, die privat sind, aber geteilt sind. Du wirst Leute sehen, die im Park sitzen und ihren eigenen Moment haben, neben vielen anderen Leuten.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich denke, das ist der Grund, warum man in einer Stadt wie New York lebt. And yeah, I'm just like, I'm in that park literally every day, whether I'm reading, whether I'm taking a call or listening to voice notes or texting people back or just like sitting, looking at the fountain. I love watching the skaters when the fountain's off.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
And it's just like this cool built-in stage, you know, right where the fountain is. And there's always people performing in the park. And I was like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I think I really wanted, there was something I really wanted from even before it started clicking. I met Jimmy, who I made the album with at the start of 2022. And I was like, there's a kind of music that I think I should be making, that I think we could make together. And I basically described to him what the album is. But it took me a long time to like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
you know this is all it is like i'm so privileged to have the kind of like level of interest that i have but at the end of the day the bravery of anyone standing in a park and performing like it's it's it's exactly that that's that's what's happening when i when i put something out you know um so i wanted to like i wanted to feel that vulnerable in that like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I don't know, yeah, just kind of, like I felt vulnerable standing in the fucking park. Of course, yeah. Being like, here's my song. Right, right. It's actually quite a crazy feeling, you know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
My favorite restaurant? I was scared to say it because I love it so much.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich bin vulnerable, ich blicke mein Restaurant. Ja, ich liebe japanisches Essen. Ich versuche, mir andere Restaurants in der Stadt zu erinnern, die ich mag. Ich weiß nicht, es ist ziemlich hektisch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es ist wie ein Abendessen. Ich bin so, wow. Ja, ja. Scheiße, du weißt, ich mache nie einen Rez. Ich bin nicht ganz, ich bin immer hinterher. Ja. Wie lange hast du in der Stadt gelebt? I moved in 2021. I got my place. I bought it off a FaceTime. I had a FaceTime tour. And I was like, seems awesome. Quite a bold way to purchase property. But I love it so much. I love living in the city.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
It was so good for me. I'm such a little internal being. I can really... Ich finde New York City super inspirierend. But just in the way of seeing what everyone's wearing, you see the fashion change in a day. All of a sudden you're like, oh, people are wearing it slightly differently. Or like, I don't know. I find it very inspo. It's just a cool city.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
And I think it's cool in your 20s to let it all hang in New York. I don't know if I'll be there forever, but I really love it. Do you think you'll go back? Do you miss it?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Also das Album hat mir ein bisschen Braverie genommen. Ich wollte wirklich da sein. Und es dauert einfach ein bisschen Zeit. Ich denke immer, dass man sich aus dem vorherigen Album auswählen muss. Oh, interessant. Ich habe all diese Zeit gespart, um zu tanzen, was ich sagen werde und nicht zu sagen. Und dann hörst du plötzlich ein Geräusch und denkst dir,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wow, I love. I mean, good question. Kind of, kind of. I definitely was throwing a lot of parties at my house and I... I liked the, like, natural arc of a party and how it can feel like a sort of, like, opera or play or something. There's, like, the peak and then it all falls apart and then there's, like, hope at the end. I don't know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I definitely, like... Yeah, there's, like, some of that arc to it. But, um... I don't know. I also just like, I think it was quite like drama that I didn't like. It was just like, I wanted like, I liked like the idea of like a concept. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Concept album, like it just seemed cool to me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
What am I angry about? I'm angry... Wow. Okay, well, I... I'm not supposed to have my period today. I have my period today. Because I'm like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
taking spironolactone for my skin and it's like not really working so i've gone up the dose and i and like going up the dose is like fucking with like now i have my period and i'm like i just feel like women's health is like not i'm like this is like years behind where it should be it drives me fucking crazy i'm like i've had this whole journey of like coming off my birth control and
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Everything's been so insane. I'm like, how do we still... How is this all so mysterious? So that I'm like, let's get it together.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Das ist so, wie es klingen sollte und das bildet es heraus. Ich weiß nicht, ich habe es wirklich mit keinem Plan gemacht. Ich habe gesagt, ich muss mich sehr offen halten und umarmen und sehen, was passiert.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Yeah, whatever you do... Du tust es. Ich bin stolz auf dich, dass du zu deinem Körper hörst. Es ist ziemlich schwierig. Ich habe erst zwei Jahre zu meinem Körper gehört. Ich dachte mir, wow, sie sagt mir etwas. Ich kann es hören. Wenn ich nur ruhig bin, kann ich es hören. Was meinst du mit dem Hören zu deinem Körper?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es ist so, so schwer. Ich hatte keine Ahnung. Ich weiß nicht, es gibt all diese Informationen, dass wenn du dich festhalten und hören würdest, dass sie dir eigentlich viel erzählt. Und ich fühle mich, ja, es kann ziemlich, für mich war es sehr lang und langsam und geduldig.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es würde nur über ein Monat reden und sagen, dieses Monat fühlt sich anders an als das letzte Monat und hier ist vielleicht warum. Ja. You just kind of have to chill it out and find some stillness, which is so hard. I still really struggle, but I'm like, just listen. She'll tell you. You know. This is the craziest thing. I always say this to friends. This is my new advice thing.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I'm like, you know. They'll be like, should I, what is it? Should I do this? Should I do this? I'm like, you actually already know the answer. So just listen. It's in there. Du weißt alles über dein Leben. Du weißt, was es sein soll.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Hast du Angst vor dem Leben? Nicht wirklich. Ich wache auf jeden Fall morgens auf. Oh ja, ich hatte das auch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Totally, yeah. I make mistakes all the time. I'm constantly like, why didn't I? But it is usually that I didn't listen to myself or that I, this is my other obsession, is nicht zu schnell gehen. Ich denke, oft machen wir eine Entscheidung, die uns nicht vollständig repräsentiert, weil wir zu schnell gehen. Man macht die Entscheidung nicht aus dem Grund, oder was auch immer.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich denke, manchmal ist es so, dass man es langsam macht. Ja. Ein bisschen langsam gehen und sehen, wie es sich fühlt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I absolutely love it. I am completely obsessed. From when I turned 26, but really 27... I'm obsessed. It gets so much better. It's sick. Like, this is the best time of life. I kind of, 25 is quite difficult for me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I hope it's being good to you, but 28, 29, like, I just can't wait. I feel like the next, like, 10 years, honestly, I'm just like, this is a prime of life for sure. It's so sick, because you're finally, like... Du bist zufrieden genug in dir selbst. Du denkst dir, ich bin heiß. Ich sehe es jetzt. Ich bin heiß.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Vor dem, jedes Jahr war es so, ich würde ein Bild von mir sehen von vor einem Jahr und sagen, oh, du warst wunderschön. Oh, ist das nicht das schlimmste Gefühl in der ganzen Welt? Du warst so wunderschön und du hattest coole Dinge zu tun und du hast dich einfach in den Tag zu Tag verloren. Also fühle ich mich endlich genug in mir selbst. Ich weiß nicht. Du tippst einfach rein. Du bist heiß.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Aber ich bin wirklich aufgeregt, 27, 28 Jahre alt zu werden. Du wirst dein Hottest sein. Ich fühle es auch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
But I like it, it's cute. No, the name version, I just felt like it was so... There was something so cool about it to me, like I think... I... I mean, it like speaks to a sort of like purity... But the album was quite sexual, so it wasn't like sexual purity. It was just sort of this feeling of like newness and purity and sort of something coming right down to something essential.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Truly. I know. No, it has to come from you. And it's also this thing of like, I feel like I was so conditioned at school to be like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
this is hot and everything else outside of that is not hot you're like no actually just someone who is themselves is beautiful and hot like it kind of is that simple you know whether you have like up skin or you know whatever the thing is about you like if you feel it like you will just emanate hotness right it really is like an energy i always say like when like when i hook up with someone i always say like which is few and far between but i always say like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wow, so it would be... Es würde dich fühlen, als wärst du wirklich geschlossen, wenn diese Person dich lacht. Du bist Angst, dass sie dich lachen werden, aber du willst, dass sie dich lachen?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Nein, aber wenn du einen potenziellen romantischen Interesse hast, bist du Angst, dass sie dich lachen? Ist das das Gefühl?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Dein Körper, oh mein Gott, du bist so wunderschön. Leute werden dich nicht lachen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Du bist so wunderschön und heiß. Objektiv. Du bist wunderschön.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Das ist alles Sex. Ich denke, du solltest das Gemüse aus dem Sex nehmen, das nur eine Sache ist. Es ist alles Sex. Küssen kann Sex sein, wenn du es willst. Küssen ist so intim und fabulös. Ich liebe Küssen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und dann wirst du einfach hungrig für mehr. Ich brauche mehr. Geh einfach so langsam. Rutsch nicht. Listen. Like, just be like, what do you need right now? Right.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
And even like, you know, there's virgin steel or virgin hair, like these things that are Denote Purity. But I also like, you know, I'm kind of always trying to stay connected to my teen self. I feel like there's some real magic in the teen version of you. And I don't know, it was really like trying to
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh my God. Okay. Well, it's funny. Like I actually... Didn't listen to like a ton of music in the last year. And I listened to like stuff that I've listened to a lot. Like just for sort of like comfort. I don't know. But I, what do I listen to? Someone was talking about this the other day. I always find it so hard to answer this question.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
ich liebe sie, ich liebe sie, sie ist so cool, sie ist so gut, sie ist alles, sie ist unglaublich, ja, ich liebe sie, ich habe ihr Album letztens gelesen, ich sagte, du bist so großartig,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Kann sie nicht so gut tanzen? Es ist ziemlich schrecklich. Ich finde es ziemlich schrecklich. Ich bin so entspannt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wow. Was habe ich gehört? Es ist ein seltsamer Moment für mich in der Popkultur. Ich bin schlecht beim Zuschauen von Filmen. Ich bin schrecklich beim Zuschauen von Filmen. Ich schaue wirklich random Filme. Ich bin auch interessiert in den Accountant. Das ist so random. Ich verstehe das nicht. Ich sah Nosferatu, das war krass. Oh ja, das war cool. Ich sah Babygirl. Ich weiß nicht.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
My vibe is like... I don't know, I'm like... I'm watching the rehearsal, the Nathan Fielder... I love Nathan Fielder. ...show. I think he's really cool. I watched The White Lotus, like everyone.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh mein Gott, Glee! Glee war so cool! Glee war der coolste!
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh, yeah, I heard. Where he's like something about like, he's like, yeah, Lord's hot. He's like pretending to be straight.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und dann kommt man zurück zu diesem Ort, wo man sich ziemlich traurig fühlt und es sich alles so auslöst, wie man es nicht wollen wollte. Oder du zeigst dir etwas von dir selbst und das fühlt sich sehr gefährlich an. Und es fühlte sich alles wie eine Vaginität an. Ja, ich bin so gespannt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Fuckt me up. Fuckt me up. Unbelievable. Special shot. It's really special.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh, okay, okay. So we're prescribing a song. Like media or anything.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh mein Gott. Es war so hart. Es ist so... Ich habe alles versucht. Ich habe alles versucht. Something that really helped me actually was someone said to me that being super anxious can sometimes be your body confusing excitement or aliveness for danger. Because it's so activating. You're like, am I safe? And I think sometimes it's just about being like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
In pursuit of my most exciting, beautiful life, I'm gonna feel this super intense feeling. And just remind yourself like, Das Gefühl in meinem Körper ist eigentlich, es ist wie Lebendigkeit und Erstaunlichkeit. Aber es ist einfacher gesagt als gemacht. Ich musste wirklich ein bisschen verrückte Therapie machen, um das Stadion zu stoppen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Nein, ich hatte keine Angst, Dinge rauszuholen. Und ich liebte es, zu performen. Ich habe als Kind Theater gemacht. Es war wie eine wirkliche Performance. Ich dachte mir, ich werde krank. Okay, warte. Aber was verskriben wir? Für das Stagefright-Ding?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Sind die großartig? Ich weiß nicht. Es war nicht stark genug für mich.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I would actually prescribe, like, some, like, fresh air. Like, sometimes I think, like, just, like, take a sick, fresh air. Brings everything down a little.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I prescribe breaking up. I unfortunately prescribe breaking up. You will. You probably are being held back. I do believe that there's no substitute for being alone. You just have to. If you feel like you need to take a second find yourself, nothing else will do that except for Being alone and really just seeing how that feels. What would I prescribe?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh mein Gott, so wunderschön. Hast du jemanden gesehen, der toll ist? Ich habe es nicht gesehen, aber ich habe gehört, dass es... Es ist in diesem wirklich wunderschönen Montage ihrer Beziehung.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Die Devil Wears Prada, ich habe sie nur erinnert. Sie ist, wie gesagt, gehalten.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ist es wirklich? Ich habe es gesehen. Es ist der Film, den ich am meisten gesehen habe.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I think it's right. I think it's right. I love her little outfit at the end when she's like, I'm not in fashion anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like low-key outfit, but still like, you can tell.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Dave Weiss Prada actually is good, because that boyfriend is so hot, but he's holding her back.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
trying to be such a cool chill girl, you know, that you stab yourself in the back.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I want to prescribe something that's like... I think you just have to go in there and really spill all and just let it all hang and be like, I'm obsessed with you! Oh my god, I've never done that before.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
No, but I think just blow it up, see what happens. I don't know. You could lose it all, but... This is terrible advice.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I'm just like, life is too short. Like, you can't, what are you going to do? Not say how you feel. You know, what's going to happen? I don't know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wenn Leute das sagen, denke ich, dass ich es primitiv durchgemacht habe. Ja. Wahrscheinlich, dass ich davon verdammt bin. Aber nein, 25, 26 war für mich sehr schwierig. In einer Art und Weise, wie es meine Freundin mir über Sam Returns sagen würde. Also, die Zeit wird sagen, glaube ich. Ich fühle mich, als wäre ich irgendwo angekommen. Es ist wie ein cooles, verschlüsseltes Gefühl, wo ich bin.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ja. Ich glaube, es war etwa letztes Jahr, direkt am Ende des Jahres 2023. Ich dachte mir, okay, ich habe nur noch einen Lack von Haut. Ich fühlte mich einfach überholt. Aber es war so fragil. Und dann, ich glaube, 2024... Es ist ein bisschen mehr eingegangen und ich habe mir gedacht, okay, ja, es kommt zusammen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich kann sehen, wer ich sein soll und all diese großen Bewegungen, die so schmerzhaft sind. Sie waren schmerzhaft und ich habe mir endlich gedacht, okay, das sind gute Dinge, die passieren.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
It was so cathartic and amazing. I'm just so grateful to her. What a cool... Alles darüber war so cool. Es war so wundervoll. Ich habe all den Respekt in der Welt für sie, diese Wundervollheit zu haben und es meiner Art zu senden, weil ich die perfekte Person war, um das zu erhalten. Ich war endlich in einem Ort in meinem Leben, wo ich kann.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Okay, I've hurt someone and I need to explain myself and make it right with them. And through that, something could be really cool for other people to witness as well. But if that had hit me six months or a year before, I would have been so frozen by shame and so hard getting called out. I just don't think that I would have been able to go there or something.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
It was legitimately healing for me. I like, it's also just so like, It is so fucking hard being a girl. It's so, it is so confusing. And I, yeah, had just like never had a version of that conversation before and I'd always wanted to. And yeah, it was, I just like, it was just amazing. I'm so grateful. Like, what a cool, what a cool girl. I like can't believe, like. Das ist unsere Pop-Prinzessin.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ja, nein. Ich war so... Ich war so, hey, ich bin gerade aufgewacht in New York. Ja. Ich habe gesagt, ich bin so entschuldigt, lass mich dich wiederholen. Das wird süß werden. Wir haben ein paar Stimmzüge gesendet und ich habe gesagt, kannst du mir die Stämme geben? Ich hatte das Gefühl, es wäre einfach einfacher, wenn ich es auf der Song ausdrückte. Dann würde es zusammenkommen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich habe es am nächsten Tag gedreht. Und ich habe gesagt, hey, ich habe etwas gedreht. Willst du es hören? Sollen wir erst sprechen? Oder soll ich dir einfach die Lieder schicken? Und sie war so, schick mir die Lieder. Und ich war so, okay. Wow. Das war das. So beautiful. So amazing to get feedback.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
When did you start? How long have you been doing this podcast?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I honestly think it's one of the coolest, most loving things in a friendship or a relationship where someone can be like, hey,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
es fühlt mich so an, weißt du, es muss nicht wie ein Angriff auf dich sein, es ist einfach so, wie es mich fühlt und du denkst, oh mein Gott, es fühlt dich so an, weißt du, ich bin einfach so unglaublich, dass sie das für mich gemacht hat und jetzt sind wir so richtig, es ist echt, wir sind so, es ist für das Leben, wie ihr alle die ganze Zeit redet,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
We don't talk all the time, but there's just a depth of we have each other's back for life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
In my verse? I mean, I love You Walk Like a Bitch. Me too! Someone had said that to me when I was like 11, you know, 10. And it was just, sometimes you just hold something your whole life and you're like, I can let it fly free in a song and all these other people are going to scream it and it will be so cathartic and amazing. Yeah, maybe that. And I am quite proud of that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
It's just self-defense until you're building a weapon. Yeah, that's totally right.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es war der Oppenheimer-Mann, aber mit einem verrückten Filter drauf. Verrückte Lippen und Eyelashs. Ich werde es dir zeigen, um es zu funktionieren.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Um, was I nervous? No, I think it was cool. I was psyched. I was psyched. Cause like at that point, like, yeah, Charlie had like, we'd like totally like talked about everything and you know, it was all good and it felt cool. I was like, this is awesome. And it was such a sick, like, Es war wie ein Traum, in Brat zu werden. Es war der Moment. Und mein Name wurde genannt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich dachte mir, okay, ich komme. Ich liebte es, es war großartig.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich war in London, in New York und hier im Studio. Ich hatte wirklich schlechtes Akne, das war ein Bummer. Ich habe viel geküsst und viele Früchte gegessen. Und einfach meine Demos zu hören und mich über das Album zu stressen. Das war mein Bratsommer. Und mit Charlie und so. Das ist unglaublich.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich liebe Touren, ja. Und es war wie eine Reise, um da zu kommen. Aber warte, ich denke immer noch an dich. Oh, okay. Ich sehe den Parallel zwischen deiner Intimität und... Oh, du tust? ...entertainen Menschen und fühlen diesen Druck, sich zu entertainen und dann fühlen, dass es so gefährlich ist, wenn jemand vielleicht nicht erhältlich ist.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es gibt etwas, es gibt eine Vergleiche hier. Aber ich denke auch, weil, hast du schon viel touriert?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Für Melodrama habe ich eine Arena-Tour geplant. Und viele dieser Shows waren halb voll. Wir haben das so gemacht. beautiful production. There were some nights where I was like, this is awkward. And people were writing about it at the time. It was so vulnerable for me. And I didn't book. This is my first Arena show since then because I had such damage from that feeling that you're talking about.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I didn't know it was going to be the first single. I knew it was going to be on the album. And I kind of went back and forth on whether or not to start there, because it is quite classic me. Coming out of Soulpower, I was like, I think it's cool to be like, it's me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
People don't think about the fact that The person on stage, whose name is on the banner, is looking at every single, like you say, someone walking out, someone, yeah, some seat not being full. It's so vulnerable. I completely understand.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
But you just have to, you have to just be like, oh my God, it's insane how many people are here. It's incredible. It's so amazing. People are paying money. It's a weird feeling. It's so amazing. It's incredible. And they love it. And they're not going to, Sie denken nicht, dass du einen schlechten Job gemacht hast. Du konntest nicht einen schlechten Job machen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I'm so excited for my tour. I'm still in complete fucking disbelief that it sold out. I can't believe it. I feel so grateful. I've just cried. Oh, yesterday I was crying. So moved. I'm psyched. I actually love... building a show. It's like, yeah, one of my favorite things about my music is translating it live. This music is really physical and I think it's just gonna be its full self. How fun.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Nice, yeah. It's kind of crazy to shower on the bus, but I do. Do you really? I shower, and I'll shower on the moving bus.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Just, like, holding on. Yeah, no, no, I will fully shower. Do you feel like you get... Driving down the highway.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I do. But I think tours, like... Wie gut ist dein Schlaf? Das ist das, was ich gesagt habe.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
So, okay, the thing about me is that I, like right now, I probably last smoked like three weeks ago. And before that, probably two or three weeks before that. Like I actually really, I would never smoke more than like twice a week. Like if I smoked three times in a week, I'd be like, whoa, girl, you need to chill. I find weed to be like an incredibly... eine inspirierende, weltweite Eröffnung.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich brauche nie Wehen, ich sitze einfach zu Hause. Ich gehe auf einen 2-Hour-Weg. Ich bin im Sonnenschein. Ich brauche nicht mal Wehen an einem regnen oder regnen Tag. Es ist wie ein sehr... Ich bin wie die Sonne, ich gehe. Also bin ich glücklich. Ich habe nie...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
It's never gotten to a place where I felt like, I think people probably think I smoke way more weed than I do, but I like, really like, and especially like in a moment like right now, I have to be careful. I'm like, I smoked the other day and I was like, sis, the portal is open. Put that away. The next day I felt so bad. Yeah. Wir haben tatsächlich das Video gedreht.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und es war wie, Terry, das ist ein Desaster. Wir haben einen riesigen Fehler gemacht. Ich habe mit Terry gearbeitet. Es war unglaublich. Es war so, so lustig, das Video zusammen zu machen. Und einfach so... Das ist verrückt, dass du das ganze Ding auf dem Fernseher gedreht hast.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Nein, ich meine... Das Album ist einfach... freudig. Es ist einfach cool und freudig und seine eigene Sache und... Was war das? Es fühlte sich wie ein wirklich cooler Start zu allem.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und wir waren am Edit, und wir waren am Edit bis 3 Uhr, und dann haben wir es am nächsten Tag gedreht.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Wow. I don't really listen to my own music. But on tour, when you are listening to it every night, I feel like I... Wow, you're really going through this thing. But I feel like every album is just sort of that. I'm just trying to talk to version of myself who was vulnerable in that moment and needs to hear from herself. I don't know. But yeah, no, for sure.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I mean, it's so funny having this record of all of your vulnerabilities and certain songs come from a place of like liability was so Es war so, als wäre ich im Grunde getriggert. Ich dachte mir, oh mein Gott. Und das, dass ich in diesem Ort gespielt wurde, hat mich dazu gefühlt, diese Lieder zu schreiben. Und ich schaue mich jetzt an und denke mir,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es ist wie eine grundlegende Gefühle für mich, zu sagen, okay, ich werde, das ist der Teil von mir, den ich beweisen werde, der zu viel sein wird. Das Gefühl bleibt einfach, du verlierst nie diese Angst. Aber du versuchst etwas zu machen, das wie ein Baum ist oder, du weißt, das macht dich fühlen, nein, nein, es ist okay, mich zu der Vollen zu sein, du weißt, der öffentliche Journalist.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
We did it. I had that actually when we wrote Team. I was like, mwah! So happy! Because it is so like... Das ist das Wunderschöne an Popmusik, dass man den Katastrophen in so einer verrückten Weise bekommt. Ich habe den Chorus gehört und dachte mir, das funktioniert für mich. Das macht etwas so großartiges. Ich weiß nicht, ich bin stolz.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Nein, ja, also wir haben Mics wie diese, fast genau wie diese. Und ich war einfach aufgestanden und war so zurück und forth. Ja. Wait, did you hear that? No, you haven't heard the album? Okay, okay.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
We learnt to celebrate ourselves. We learnt to, I don't know, enjoy the little things. We learnt to, that it's cool to be vulnerable and that that's where the magic is. And yeah, I really want you to do a lot of kissing. That's what I want. I think... That's what I'm taking away from this. I'm gonna be checking in.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Ich weiß nicht. Ich habe acht Favoriten. Ich liebe es so viel. Ich habe nie etwas, das ich so viel gemacht habe, geliebt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
So cute, by the way. I love that you have the whole discography. I know. I love coming in there. So sick. How's it different? I mean, I don't know. This really feels like it's just... I mean, I sort of hate when I say that, but it is just like who I am. This is just me at this exact age and stage. It feels like a... you know, section of my, like, favorites in my camera roll or something.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Oh my god, that's so sweet. And why do you live in ***? I know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Like, just like, these are the iconic moments from age 26 to age 28. And, you know, it's so, I do feel very Es gibt keinen Song, den ich einfach einfach und einfach auslesen kann. Ich weiß nicht. Ich denke, weil so viel von diesem Album von diesem Ort kam, von dem Wunsch, eine Song zu schreiben, dass ich das in meinem Handy nicht habe. Und ich bin durch dieses Ding gegangen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und es ist verrückt, dass ich das nicht habe, weil ich mit all meinen Mädchen gesprochen habe und sie sind alle durch dieses Ding gegangen. Also, ich weiß nicht, ja, es ist einfach ganz... Es kommt in den Sinn. Und es ist ganz... Es hat alles mit dem Körper zu tun. Es ist sehr physisch. Es ist sehr verletzbar in dieser Weise.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Und ich habe ehrlich gesagt, dass ich viele dieser Songs ziemlich schwer zu schreiben fand. Es hat einen langen Zeitraum gedauert, ich habe meine Beine wirklich gedrückt, nicht die Lieder beendet oder so, weil es mir einfach ungeheuer war. Aber ich denke, das ist, wo die Magie passiert. Ich glaube jetzt, dass, wenn du nicht das Verlust fühlst, wie jeder, der etwas macht, du nichts Gutes machst.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Du musst dich irgendwie, weißt du, damit es in andere Menschen kommt und wirklich, weißt du, das ist, was du tun willst.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Totally, yeah. There's a song called Broken Glass that I finished writing two weeks before we handed in the album. And we'd been working on it for a year. And I just couldn't. It was just so... Yeah, so like stuck in me. And I was just like, let it out, let it out. Stop it, bitch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Like you don't... Because there is this thing when you write a song, you kind of let go of... It like releases the kind of like big bit of tension that you've been holding around that subject. And I really find this about pop music generally. Like... Because it's so like, it's such a release, like pop music at its best. So cathartic, like that works on my body as well.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Like, I'm like, ah, I'm set free from that thing that I was struggling with, you know. And yeah, the song Broken Glass is totally, totally like that. But I literally, yeah, I'm just... Ich ging aus dem Studio und dachte mir, ich gehe einfach nach Hause. Ich ging nach Hause und habe was gegessen. Ich musste einfach aus dem Studio. Ich finde dieses Album sehr gut. Wir haben es geschafft.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Das Album ist so in deinem Kopf. It was just so in my head, in my body. And there were things that I was just like, don't expose yourself like this. I had this actually recently with, I did this interview with Rolling Stone and it was sort of the first time I had talked about Anything at length for years, you know, because I just like go the fuck away and come back.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
And, you know, we were talking about like, because I had dealt with some like food and body shit kind of for like... Ich weiß nicht, wie lange es war. Es war nicht eine super lange Periode, aber es war total verletzt. Und ich habe mit der Journalistin darüber gesprochen und sie hat etwas über deine Rückkehr gesagt. Und ich war so, oh mein Gott, ich bin jemand, der durch Rückkehr gegangen ist.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. And you just like the like yummy way of life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Auch das. Ich war so, fuck. This shit is real and I'm so vulnerable to be talking about it and I'm just so the kind of person who in my personal life I'm cool to be really open about it but it's a different thing when you're doing it like on the scale but I just really came to this realization I was like this is what you're here to do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Like, you're supposed to be... People respond to your vulnerability in this crazy way and it, like, allows people to, like, get into these parts of themselves and... I'm just such a fan of music myself and I know what it does for me when someone else goes somewhere. I'm like, okay, I'm going to go there, you know. And I was like, you just actually don't have a choice.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
You have to be brave and you have to get into these spots and hopefully give other people an opportunity to kind of be brave and hit the stuff within themselves, you know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Das war das Ding. Ich bin so interessiert, von dir darüber zu hören. Weil ich fühle mich... As someone who people are aware of and kind of look at, your public perception over time can kind of calcify and almost rust. It becomes quite rigid. It's like this coat that you've been wearing for a long time and it gets like... You really have to be careful not to let this kind of armor rust onto you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I think, just as a human being, it doesn't feel good. And I think it can be so... Okay, ich hatte eine schreckliche Stagefreude, als ich fünf Jahre alt war. Aber ich erinnere mich, als ich 16 war und eine Panikattacke auf der Bühne hatte. Oder auch auf Melodrama, ich erinnere mich. Ja, im Grunde genommen, ja, nur mit wirklich, wirklich schlechtem, sehr physischen Problemen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Es ist schön hier drüben zu sein. Wie geht es dir heute? Ich bin gut.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
Anxiety and that was kind of because I had just been like, you've got to get out there, you've got to perform and you've got to get it right. I put this crazy pressure on myself and something very rigid was happening and it was just wrong. Whereas once I was like, you can deal with this in a human way. You can actually say to people on stage, I'm kind of feeling crazy tonight, but
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
And they're like, yeah, we've got you. And then something cool happens and then it's moving and then you're not locked up, you know. So yeah, I really, I think that it's getting easier, like the older I get. Because I'm also like, I don't know, I'm just at the age where I'm like, what's going to happen? What's the worst that could happen? Like, I'm going to be too alive.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 76: Lorde
I'm going to show too much vulnerability. Like, I believe that people know that I am trying my best. Yeah. And that I'm like, yeah, not like actively like trying to be an asshole, you know, and if I fuck it up, I fuck it up. And I don't know. I just like always respond better to people's vulnerability than to the like rigid, you know.