Lorenz Hemicker

On the other side, this is what Philip Sands told me, and I think he has a point.

There are not many countries that have tried so hard to find people that were responsible, especially in the last 10 or 15 years.

I mean, today, Ernst would never went out of prison with the things he did.

I think both is true.

These are two sides of the matter.

You can never find all of them.

And today you would try to find much more out of the crimes that were committed.

But I think most of them, this is also what the prosecutor told me that interrogated Ernst the last time, they tried to do what they were able to do in the time they had.

Well, I don't have a crystal ball then, but I think, of course, it would have changed a lot because...

with a grandfather going to prison, people who still try to turn away from what has happened, who try to do not think about it, would have been forced to do it because there would have been no excuse.

With that what has happened, he was never convicted.

You were always for decades able to say he was not responsible.

Okay, until my book came out, but before.

I think that with the way the Germans took in the 60s and in the 70s, they made a step.

I'm from another generation.

As someone from our generation, I would be more happy with a more transparent approach, especially if you take a look at the circumstances we are living in right now.

I mean, in the end, Ernst was...

an average person with an above average selfishness.

And to erect an autocracy, to kill people, you cannot do it only with fundamentalists and sadists.

They are too few.