Lori Siegel

And all this language, every history book you'll read, you hear them all say the same thing.

This needs to be the war to end all wars.

This needs to be, if we just do this, then the enemy will capitulate.

It turns out, especially when you put people in a total war situation, which is what Trump's threat is, it's only going to drag on

Even longer and longer and longer.

And I'm just, I do not see a way out of this.

None of these people have the courage to do what needs to be done.

And a few square miles more of territory.

Yeah.

Outside.

Outside.

I cannot even describe it to you.

I knew it intellectually.

I didn't know it for real.

And that's really what I meant is, you know, having watched, I mean, anybody can download Telegram and you can watch men die every single day on the Russian front.

You actually can.

And that's part of the tragedy is that you can see the exact same playbook.

I don't know if anybody's seen the videos, the first person view videos of them taking out

like an army ambulance helicopter, $10 million helicopter, $20,000 drone.

I mean, it's just story.