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Lori Stern

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253 total appearances

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Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And the St.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Paul School District made a bunch of changes.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

It closed EBD-only classrooms and sent those students into regular classes, sometimes accompanied by special ed teachers.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

That approach that was called mainstreaming.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Well, it was mixed.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

There was tremendous backlash.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

A lot of teachers and parents said classrooms got too disruptive, too chaotic.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But some families said their students with EBD did much better in regular classrooms.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And Aisha, I met one man who said basically mainstreaming saved him.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

What was so helpful about mainstreaming for him?

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

So Tyrone Williams had also been in Mr. K's EBD classroom years before Walt, of course.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But like Walt, he was a black kid from a poor family who'd seen more than his share of trauma.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And he had a history of getting into fights.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But then in 11th grade, the school district implemented mainstreaming.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And Williams started going to regular classes.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Williams is 27 now.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

He's got a steady job and he lives in a renovated mid-century apartment in downtown St.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Paul.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And that's where we met.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

What would have become of you if you hadn't had those opportunities of going into more challenging classes?