Lou Shapiro
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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And just all sorts of thoughts are going through somebody's mind. What the jurors are going to think, what the judge is going to do. It doesn't get more stressful than this, especially because it's federal, not state. So there's a lot of time on the line here for him.
Meaning the prosecution may want to call her and we'll see if she wants to have any kind of involvement for that matter in this case. But certainly she's not going to be testifying on Diddy's behalf. That we know.
Yes. So Diddy and Kanye speaking, it won't have any effect whatsoever. In the trial itself, only acts or evidence that took place during the incidents will come into play. But it does show you, moreover, how Hollywood is really not behind Diddy on this one, because if Kanye is the one that he's sort of resorting to speak with, it shows you much that he's pretty much on his own at this point.
And all he's got is Kanye in his corner.
Yeah, so the idea is, again, we haven't seen the actual evidence in the case. We did see that video regarding Cassie, and that is so offensive and disturbing. The greatest of lawyers... I don't know how one can get around that. I guess the only argument will be that he's on trial for sex trafficking and racketeering, not for domestic violence. But this is not evidence
of sexual abuse and so forth. So that's the main piece of evidence that we know is out there. It's going to be tough to get around, but that's the only way to address that. Overall, Diddy said this is going to be about consent. We can expect a large part of the argument by the defense will be, where were these three accusers 10 years ago or five years ago?
Why are they all coming out of the woodwork now? These were not children. These are adults. So that's where it gets a little gray. And Diddy's going to say it was all consensual. They're going to have to say otherwise.
And unless there are percipient witnesses to those incidents to say, yeah, I was there, I can tell you that this person was not consenting, this person was, and so forth, it's going to come down to a real he said, she said case. And we don't know how those alleged victims are going to come across on the stand under cross-examination. But we can expect that Diddy's counsel
We'll be putting up some serious, ferocious, and fearsome cross-examination because that's the only hope of trying to get Diddy out of this situation.
Yes, uncharged victims or witnesses can be brought in. At the same time, a judge is going to perform a balancing test. Because if too many are brought in, then it could be deemed more prejudicial and probative and basically not allow the jury to focus on these three victims. They're just going to get lost in the overall evidence that's being presented.
Like we saw in the Cosby case, Cosby was the hung jury the first time. Second trial, the judge let in more witnesses testify against previous conduct. But the Court of Appeal ended up reversing that conviction, saying that was just too much for a jury to have to swallow.
I think it's going to take minimum two to three weeks, but federal cases do tend to run quicker than state cases. They go longer hours. Lunches are less in terms of the time of the day, not an hour and a half lunches like in state court. So it moves. So while a state court case like this might take four to five weeks, this could take two to three. We're assuming it's not a lot of witnesses.
If it's anywhere from like five to 10 witnesses in total, we're talking about two, three week trial max. It's 20 witnesses. on the four-week track.
Those cases are staged. They're basically frozen, pending what happens to the criminal case. And that's routinely done when somebody has both a criminal and civil case going at the same time. The criminal one takes precedence.
Yeah, it's very likely there's overlap.
Well, they're making sure that all the witnesses that they intend on calling, that their testimony is organized, how they come across that they might be running what's called mock jury proceedings where they have other jurors that are being paid. To hear how these witnesses come across so they can figure out maybe how to tweak the form or things that they're saying or how they say it.
Also in terms of timelines, exhibits, what will be presented to the jury. Are they clean? Are they easy to understand? PowerPoint slides, checking out, making sure grammar spelling is correct. All those factors are being put into place right now.
Yeah, part of it is the voir dire, all the questions that are going to be asked to the jury, as well as questions that are going to be asked of witnesses. When you start a trial, you basically work from the end backwards. So you know where you want to get to, and based on where your end game is, you think, okay, how do I get to this goal of proving that everything was consensual?
What witnesses, what pieces of evidence, what timeline, what arguments, what jury instructions? What questions in voir dire? For example, a question in voir dire would be, does anybody believe that an alleged victim of a sexual assault crime could be lying? Could you see that as a possibility? Why would somebody lie?
And if a juror is going to say, no, I always would believe a victim no matter what, then they wouldn't be able to sit on a jury like this. This jury would be for only open-minded impartial individuals that can hear both sides. And then after hearing all the evidence, make a fair decision.
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