Louis Tomlinson

And it's interesting, again, because one of the things I learned from doing this podcast is this idea of learned helplessness and control and autonomy.

Basically, TLDR, it says that people who feel like they have control have much better physiological health outcomes.

They have less stress, they're more insulated, better psychological states, less anxiety, less depression, because they feel like they're in control of the situation.

Yeah.

There's this crazy study that I was reading about when I was writing my last book about these rats where they learn that they can't do anything about the situation.

And they basically give up and they become submissive and they stop trying.

And I think about this in the context of humans as well.

From what your videographer told me, Cam, you were clearly not that.

You were clearly someone that would push against Simon Cowell's record label as a young man.

Yeah.

And that's something I've had a few conversations with my friends, similar things about this.

And I'm not certain why that was like inspired by, because it's brave, right?

To stare someone who at the time, at least in pop, was one of the most successful people in the music industry and say, no, you've got it wrong.

Here's me, an 18 year old with no experience telling you you've got it wrong.

I think what gave me confidence in those ideas is even if it wasn't a collective voice, even if it was just my voice delivering the message, it was always with collective intention.

It would always be for the good of all of us.

Making those decisions now on my own, they're not quite as easy.

There's a lot of different kind of things at play.

And again, it kind of comes from that Big Brother kind of role.

Again, I was the oldest in the band.