Louis Ziskin

That set me up for the rest of my time where I really didn't have problems with anybody else.

So I get to Terminal Island, for example, and the AB is having their, the brand's having their Rico trial, TD and Barry and all those dudes.

They're holding them in the shoe in Terminal Island.

So Bobby Ray, who had the, I get a kite from Lompoc.

Somebody comes in.

And Bobby Ray, hey, my homeboys are down there.

And, you know, can you make sure they get cigarettes and this and that?

And I was like, sure.

What I didn't realize, which I should have at that time, is that meant that I had the yard for the whites.

Right.

So me and this Scotty Scanlon, the skinhead dude, me and him were actually very smart.

I had a lot of great conversations with him.

We used to walk the track together.

So he explained, you know, it was me and him.

We were running the yard, making sure they get cigarettes, this and that.

Anyway, Woodring, the AW from MDC, who I wouldn't put my shit away from, he becomes warden and throws us in the shoe and da, da, da.

So I'm in the shoe with those guys for like four months, you know, like every day.

So you're like talking to them and this and that once in a while.

They try to keep you separated, but every now and then, one of them's still out on the yard when they take you to yard, like for the dog run yard, right?

Yeah.