Louis Ziskin

Right.

Because it was just easier, right?

But that was a huge mistake because these dudes are getting busted and kind of ratting.

So they had background already.

Yeah.

Even that this Ikea thing happened, it was because of all those people who were being informants that got caught with these things that they had the actual case and were actually on it, right?

So...

Anyway, you know, LA County, when you go to court, right?

It's not like you come back to your cell.

At that time, you had to process all the way through 9,500 through the fishbowl again, the 9,000 floor.

So then you had, everybody says 9,500, but it could have been 9,000, 9,100, 9,200.

They just mean the 9,000 floor.

That's the fishbowl.

So you got to process through all that again, every time you leave, right?

So they call me for court one day and I'm like, what the

I don't have court.

This is that I've finally, you know, gotten a cell like, you know, back in L.A.

County in that time, you'd have a three or four man cell and there's a phone in the cell.

And like you have your own little sense of like a cocoon, a little bit of safety.

Right.