Louis Ziskin

And that kind of carried on, you know, for a little while, too.

Right.

Like, why?

It's easy.

You know, but when you're 16, 17, 18, money seems easy because you're going to your grandparents, you're going to your cousins, you're going to your aunt, you're going to a few friends.

It's not the same as when you're 18 or 20 or 21 and you're kind of out on your own and you actually have to pay bills at a certain time.

Right.

Not worry about having $100 if you want to go out to dinner.

It's a different set of responsibilities and circumstances, right?

But still, I was not interested in anything that meant hard work.

Nothing.

Absolutely zero.

And this guy was all about it.

And now, like, when I talk to kids, it's kind of the message I give them.

Hard work is actually the shortcut.

Yeah.

Right?

But, you know, I didn't know that at the time.

I'm the kid who goes to class, hasn't studied at all, and I can still get a B on a final exam just from osmosis of what I heard in class while I'm doodling shit or writing notes to the girl next to me.

So I had no...