Louise McSharry

And when you list it all out and then you're like, and we're going to go shake hands with him and hand him a bowl of shamrock.

Like it is horrifying.

And like, I think it's interesting.

There's been lots of conversation about how, oh, but you know, this annual visit is so valuable.

We cannot let it go.

And like that, the kind of underlying thing there.

And I appreciate that, you know, it is a privilege, I guess, to go

and have an annual meeting with the president of the United States.

I understand why diplomatically that would be important, but there's a suggestion that if we don't go once, or if we don't go for one presidency, that we'll never be able to do it again.

And I think that's insane.

Surely a lot of future presidents would appreciate the fact that Donald Trump was not someone who we felt it was appropriate to visit.

I also think that you're right.

All of the analysis about...

it's been really interesting to listen to like, you know, columnists and, you know, communications consultants and stuff talk about this as if it was a success.

And like, yes, I do think it's important to take into account that Donald Trump obviously tightly controls every single press conference that he's involved in, that it's very difficult to kind of go rogue under any circumstances in the White House at the moment.

I appreciate that.

But this suggestion that to kind of get out of it unharmed is a victory just feels really gross and really out of sync, I think, with what most Irish people feel.

I agree.

And I think it was so, I thought it was really interesting that the government, so obviously the government released some photographs of this visit on their Instagram page.

And one of them that they featured was a photograph of the two of them walking down the so-called presidential walk of fame at the White House.