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Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling

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The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

At the time, there were three major frozen conflicts in Europe. And it was interesting, Tim, the other night I was with a group of Americans and I said, has anyone heard the term Transnistria or Norgano-Karabakh or Kaliningrad or South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

At the time, there were three major frozen conflicts in Europe. And it was interesting, Tim, the other night I was with a group of Americans and I said, has anyone heard the term Transnistria or Norgano-Karabakh or Kaliningrad or South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

At the time, there were three major frozen conflicts in Europe. And it was interesting, Tim, the other night I was with a group of Americans and I said, has anyone heard the term Transnistria or Norgano-Karabakh or Kaliningrad or South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So it's not too bad. None of them had heard of any of those places. Well, these were places where the Russians had invaded or had stoked conflict within Moldova, Georgia, between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and then most recently in the Donbass and Crimea. And in every single one of them, they have continued to stoke that over the years and the decades to disrupt governments.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So it's not too bad. None of them had heard of any of those places. Well, these were places where the Russians had invaded or had stoked conflict within Moldova, Georgia, between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and then most recently in the Donbass and Crimea. And in every single one of them, they have continued to stoke that over the years and the decades to disrupt governments.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So it's not too bad. None of them had heard of any of those places. Well, these were places where the Russians had invaded or had stoked conflict within Moldova, Georgia, between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and then most recently in the Donbass and Crimea. And in every single one of them, they have continued to stoke that over the years and the decades to disrupt governments.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

I'll use the case of both Moldova and Georgia. They have prevented from attempting to join NATO because they can't right now. The member action plan says you can't have a conflict on your territory. And both of them have, in fact, irredentist or a minor civil war in Transnistria and Moldova and in the two provinces in Georgia.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

I'll use the case of both Moldova and Georgia. They have prevented from attempting to join NATO because they can't right now. The member action plan says you can't have a conflict on your territory. And both of them have, in fact, irredentist or a minor civil war in Transnistria and Moldova and in the two provinces in Georgia.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

I'll use the case of both Moldova and Georgia. They have prevented from attempting to join NATO because they can't right now. The member action plan says you can't have a conflict on your territory. And both of them have, in fact, irredentist or a minor civil war in Transnistria and Moldova and in the two provinces in Georgia.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So you can see not only those kind of active conflicts, the so-called asymmetric warfare of Russia, but then you include things like electronic attacks in Estonia or little green men going into different places or assassination attempts in Great Britain and Germany. So all of those things contribute to the kinds of turmoil that Russia creates. When we now go into Ukraine,

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So you can see not only those kind of active conflicts, the so-called asymmetric warfare of Russia, but then you include things like electronic attacks in Estonia or little green men going into different places or assassination attempts in Great Britain and Germany. So all of those things contribute to the kinds of turmoil that Russia creates. When we now go into Ukraine,

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

So you can see not only those kind of active conflicts, the so-called asymmetric warfare of Russia, but then you include things like electronic attacks in Estonia or little green men going into different places or assassination attempts in Great Britain and Germany. So all of those things contribute to the kinds of turmoil that Russia creates. When we now go into Ukraine,

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

And we're talking about a ceasefire, which includes, first of all, a 700-mile front in the four occupied territories. And it takes away 20% of Ukraine's territorial integrity, which includes the Oblast or the provinces of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson, as well as Crimea since 2014. I think it might be best even to compare it to the United States.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

And we're talking about a ceasefire, which includes, first of all, a 700-mile front in the four occupied territories. And it takes away 20% of Ukraine's territorial integrity, which includes the Oblast or the provinces of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson, as well as Crimea since 2014. I think it might be best even to compare it to the United States.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

And we're talking about a ceasefire, which includes, first of all, a 700-mile front in the four occupied territories. And it takes away 20% of Ukraine's territorial integrity, which includes the Oblast or the provinces of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson, as well as Crimea since 2014. I think it might be best even to compare it to the United States.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

If we were to have 20% of our territory taken away, it would be like occupying all of California plus South Carolina or all of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama together. And when you do that, when you occupy those territories or draw a line, a fence line or a pausation line between a no man's zone, if you will, you're talking about taking away grain production from Ukraine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

If we were to have 20% of our territory taken away, it would be like occupying all of California plus South Carolina or all of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama together. And when you do that, when you occupy those territories or draw a line, a fence line or a pausation line between a no man's zone, if you will, you're talking about taking away grain production from Ukraine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

If we were to have 20% of our territory taken away, it would be like occupying all of California plus South Carolina or all of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama together. And when you do that, when you occupy those territories or draw a line, a fence line or a pausation line between a no man's zone, if you will, you're talking about taking away grain production from Ukraine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

It's most of the sunflower oil, which Ukraine produces, which is indicated by their yellow over blue flag is in the region which was taken over their coal mining and metal. I mean, I could go on and on. But you can see the disadvantage it puts Ukraine at if Russia continues to occupy these territories and how it gives Russia a foot forward in controlling the country.

The Bulwark Podcast
Mark Hertling: Aiding and Abetting a War Criminal

It's most of the sunflower oil, which Ukraine produces, which is indicated by their yellow over blue flag is in the region which was taken over their coal mining and metal. I mean, I could go on and on. But you can see the disadvantage it puts Ukraine at if Russia continues to occupy these territories and how it gives Russia a foot forward in controlling the country.