Luis Elizondo

Well, not to make light of it, but I'll tell you recently. So I've learned over the years there's nothing more expensive than a cheap lawyer. So I've got a couple good lawyers that I work with on just contractual stuff. And one of them is named Ivan Hanel. I call him the bull. And I've learned to appreciate the shout out to Ivan, the infinite complexity of law and legal. Right. So right.

So if there is this natural progression as we're talking about life, I mean, we even see it in our own human interactions. Right. This this this intricate complexity of how things work and how even in the way we behave with each other socially.

So if there is this natural progression as we're talking about life, I mean, we even see it in our own human interactions. Right. This this this intricate complexity of how things work and how even in the way we behave with each other socially.

So if there is this natural progression as we're talking about life, I mean, we even see it in our own human interactions. Right. This this this intricate complexity of how things work and how even in the way we behave with each other socially.

You look at a when I was in the in the government, you could look at a terrorist link analysis and. And that link analysis still follows those fractal patterns that the patterns in our lungs, the patterns of lightning, the patterns of super medullonic clouds and galaxies, super clusters of galaxies all have that same pattern. And it's not just a physical pattern. It's a social pattern, right?

You look at a when I was in the in the government, you could look at a terrorist link analysis and. And that link analysis still follows those fractal patterns that the patterns in our lungs, the patterns of lightning, the patterns of super medullonic clouds and galaxies, super clusters of galaxies all have that same pattern. And it's not just a physical pattern. It's a social pattern, right?

You look at a when I was in the in the government, you could look at a terrorist link analysis and. And that link analysis still follows those fractal patterns that the patterns in our lungs, the patterns of lightning, the patterns of super medullonic clouds and galaxies, super clusters of galaxies all have that same pattern. And it's not just a physical pattern. It's a social pattern, right?

And so, again, not to make joke of it, but I'm learning that it's beyond these patterns or beyond just physical patterns. Even in something as silly but fundamental as law, there are these patterns that continue to spin off and whatnot. So, yeah, I can appreciate that. I think we're at a point now as a species where we probably should be having these conversations. And I'll also say this, Joe.

And so, again, not to make joke of it, but I'm learning that it's beyond these patterns or beyond just physical patterns. Even in something as silly but fundamental as law, there are these patterns that continue to spin off and whatnot. So, yeah, I can appreciate that. I think we're at a point now as a species where we probably should be having these conversations. And I'll also say this, Joe.

And so, again, not to make joke of it, but I'm learning that it's beyond these patterns or beyond just physical patterns. Even in something as silly but fundamental as law, there are these patterns that continue to spin off and whatnot. So, yeah, I can appreciate that. I think we're at a point now as a species where we probably should be having these conversations. And I'll also say this, Joe.

There are parts of this conversation I don't feel the government has any place. There is definitely a national security conversation here. But the conversation we're having, as you can tell, is far beyond national security, right?

There are parts of this conversation I don't feel the government has any place. There is definitely a national security conversation here. But the conversation we're having, as you can tell, is far beyond national security, right?

There are parts of this conversation I don't feel the government has any place. There is definitely a national security conversation here. But the conversation we're having, as you can tell, is far beyond national security, right?

We're talking philosophical, psychological, sociological, theological implications that I'm not sure I want my government necessarily dictating for me what I should think about this.

We're talking philosophical, psychological, sociological, theological implications that I'm not sure I want my government necessarily dictating for me what I should think about this.

We're talking philosophical, psychological, sociological, theological implications that I'm not sure I want my government necessarily dictating for me what I should think about this.

Well, life is abundant on this planet, isn't it? And it thrives in places that we thought life could never thrive before. It's everywhere. It almost seems like a natural function if you have certain situations and circumstances on a rock somewhere, then life pops up.

Well, life is abundant on this planet, isn't it? And it thrives in places that we thought life could never thrive before. It's everywhere. It almost seems like a natural function if you have certain situations and circumstances on a rock somewhere, then life pops up.

Well, life is abundant on this planet, isn't it? And it thrives in places that we thought life could never thrive before. It's everywhere. It almost seems like a natural function if you have certain situations and circumstances on a rock somewhere, then life pops up.

That's right.