Lukas Nelson
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It's called You Were It.
I like to be informed on what I'm talking about.
I really do, and that takes a lot of time.
It's the first song I ever wrote when I was 11.
It's not something that I can look at something online that comes up and just have an immediate opinion on.
And I think that really I'm just like –
I don't know where I stand on half the issues that are out there because I see a lot of – I have to sift through most of the bullshit.
And my dad loved it so much that he covered it.
So really where it ends up happening is that by the time I get to the voting booth, I'm hoping that I'm properly informed.
at the time, and he put it out on his album back in 2004 called It Always Will Be.
I saw something, but I just don't know enough.
That's a government website, right?
You know, I just don't know.
And I don't know enough.
And I know that there's probably more to the story than we're seeing.
And so, you know, that's kind of how, like, controlled opposition works, too.
You know, you just sort of, you know—
The album was called It Always Will Be.
And that gave me the confidence at a young age.
Kris Kristofferson came up to me and he's like, man, you don't have a choice but to be a songwriter.
I do think it's important to know, but at the same time, what I do know is that there's a lot of marginalized communities, whether it's a class issue or it's a – I just see that there's a lot of people who don't have a lot of money who are suffering.
And so I had all this inspiration at a young age.
And there's a lot of people getting caught in crossfire –
And it's a humanitarian issue.
And I think – and so as a musician, I have a responsibility to observe.
I think as an artist, I have a responsibility to observe.
I think we all have a responsibility to observe.
And I also don't like to keep my opinion –
resolute i don't like to identify with my opinion meaning like i'm not joining any teams here you know great i don't have any teams i want to know what what based on if i get conflicting information
Kind of like an athlete at a certain point, you kind of have to look at like, oh, well, if I have a talent at this, I have connections in the industry.
I have to make a decision on which one is going to sway the decisions I make going forward.
In this world, it's really not easy.
But back in the day, interestingly, I think they had more of an ability to manipulate us back in the day because we only had –
One or two sources of information.
Well, there's a lot of platforms I'm sure that – yeah, that Google is – yeah.
Yeah, I think that – I think the only thing that I think I worry about with that is that –
the pendulum swings so far in either direction in response to certain things.
In response to perceived censorship in one way, then it becomes, instead of it being completely a platform of opinions, then censorship happens on that side with dissenting opinions.
And so I think that the censorship just continues to be like, okay, well, it just goes back and forth.
And so I have a hard time
I need to work like I was going to go to the Olympics on this because it's something that I can do that will make it so that I never have to rely on my family or my father for anything.
I have a hard time understanding and that's why I don't really feel like I have an ability to form a proper opinion on a lot of this shit.
Well, that's the thing and I see people that die on certain hills and then – but with no ability to formulate.
Like that's why I'm a musician.
That's why I do what I do here because I –
All I do is I err on the side of compassion and I think I'm compassionate for people who are suffering.
I have compassion for suffering.
I believe that empathy can be manipulated, but I don't believe that it's – I think it's a necessary emotion for cooperation and human condition.
That's a great way to put it because empathy can be manipulated.
It can be manipulated through psychological warfare, but I also believe that it's never a good idea to then – Shut it off.
And I also will say this.
Throughout history, there have been examples where people have put their faith in policy over character.
And I think that's a mistake.
I think the character of the person implementing the policy is just as important as the policy they represent.
My whole goal in life is to discover who I am as an individual.
And I have no idea the depth of that.
So where my truth lies in compassion.
And in trying to reach the hearts of people.
Do you know Daryl Davis?
Sure, I've had him on a couple times.
Yeah, he's an amazing person.
What a fearless person to be able to go and sit down with these people and change their hearts.
And humans must be allowed to grow.
We have to allow people who have made mistakes in their past to –
We have to suspend judgment enough to allow that person to grow.
And, you know, and, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of that going on.
I think the – you know, Viktor Frankl has a book, a very famous book called Man's Search for Meaning.
I mean, I'm from Texas and I've toured the South and I know how that is.
And there's a lot of people that grow up
being indoctrinated uh-huh yeah and and in with really not not good ideas right but they don't know until they're able to that's what i was saying earlier about you know that's what music does i love a great example paul simon played a show in south africa just after apartheid he when he did the graceland album right he went down there and he
worked with local African musicians and created, in my opinion, one of the greatest albums of all time.
I mean, with Ladysmith, Black Mambazo doing the vocals on that, Vincent Nguini, the most incredible musicians.
That was a culturally powerful thing because there's a show online.
You should probably pull it up.
There's like Paul Simon playing for tens of thousands of black and white people right after apartheid ends.
Or it may even be during apartheid.
And they're all dancing and bobbing up and down.
It's the most joyful thing ever.
It can bring people together.
But because what it does is it reaches everybody's heart and it cuts through all the bullshit, the mind stuff, you know, and everyone can relate to having their heart broken.
You know, maybe it happened for some at a young age.
And it's about Auschwitz and he was an Auschwitz survivor and he wrote about what was the common denominator in terms of people who persevered and survived in these camps.
Maybe some people had their heart broken at age four to the point where they closed their hearts off nearly completely.
But even Darth Vader had a little bit.
Everyone forgets that Darth Vader at the end of Star Wars.
It's the Carl Jung, the archetype, right?
The dark night of the soul and being able to come through that.
And like and really like.
You cannot want to be around – like I think Carl Jung actually talks about like there are certain people and things that you can't allow to exist because they're dangerous to everyone else.
But at the same time, you don't have to judge their humanity.
You just like – it's like a wasp.
You have to swat the wasp because it's going to sting you or however you feel about that.
But you get it away, right?
You don't call the wasp evil.
There are people that have just been corrupted for whatever reasons to the point where you just need to remove them from the situation.
But I try not to have hatred towards that.
I just sort of understand that they are where they are in their lives and they got there for some reason.
And dignity and meaning were the common denominators generally.
When people ask – and I'm a very lucky human.
So like I say all these things with hopefully the right perspective that I am – as far as – I'm in like the top 1 percent of the luckiest people or probably even higher than that.
With access to clean water, I don't have to worry about when I'm pulled over being shot.
There are a lot of things that I can be very grateful for.
comments about these things, you know, I can only come from my own perspective.
But I do believe that we all have the light and the dark inside us.
And so finding what you mean in this life to yourself, it doesn't have to mean anything to anyone else.
Like the story of the wolf, you know, the story of the two wolves inside of us and, you know, which one survives is the one you feed.
You have the light wolf and the dark wolf.
And you just constantly make decisions in order to
feed the right wolf over time.
And some people get lost and they start feeding the wrong wolf.
And I feel like I've been there before too.
I've gone through darkness and come out the other side in my own way, in my own experience, in my own pain, in my own heart.
I think that's why I believe it's so important to reach people's hearts and why music is so powerful because we all have a heart.
You know, disregarding certain sociopathic people.
For the most part, we all have a heart.
And so that's where you reach, you know.
And I think sociopaths, you know, that's on a spectrum too is what we're hearing.
And I think that's where, for me, I've lived my whole life trying to discover who I meant to myself so that at the moment of my death, I can look back and say, I did something that I enjoyed, that was meaningful, that gave me a sense of purpose.
So you have people who can learn sociopathic behavior but aren't necessarily devoid of feeling.
And again, that also...
There's an exception to that in the sense that like for example in Germany, there were clear-cut decisions that people had to make about survival and about – like I'm sorry, but the Nazis had to go.
You know, we can't we can't just say that, you know, they're good people.
You know, they're they're so far gone.
That they just have to go.
And that's there are certain examples of that.
So it's not like you're you don't you don't have to forgive people.
You just have to understand them, I think.
And that's, I mean, look, I think the military industrial complex has been around since even before then.
So anyways, that's where Bob Dylan comes in, you know, masters of war, you know.
That's also why mushrooms are illegal.
Well, and interestingly—
I mean I think that – right, because the thing is that there are a lot of studies like about marijuana now that say, OK, it could be harmful, right?
But then at the same time …
The way that those – that that's harmful and then comparatively to the other things that are legal and allowed to just propagate … Yeah, like whiskey.
I mean like you have – there's obviously a bias against …
And that you can see clearly.
And obviously it came from this.
I had to stop for many reasons.
I wanted to be clear-headed.
I started exercising a lot.
I got my whoop right here.
I started tracking my sleep.
Funny enough, the sleep is really what got me the most because every time I'd take a hit or take one drink –
My sleep would go to shit.
It's amazing when you look at the results.
And so – and I started working out heavy and I really – I had a lot of great – like I have a high –
good engine you know i'm vo2 and like i was like you know really started to feel like an athlete again and started feel i started to feel great i started to get addicted to the high that i would get saying no of being proud of myself having discipline and having the discipline i love the high that i get from exercising discipline i'm addicted to that
You get addicted to that feeling that you get.
You know, like Goggins.
He talks about, you know, all carrot, no stick, right?
Or all stick, no carrot.
I can't remember which one it is.
But the thing is, is that...
For me, the reward is the high that I get from having discipline.
And I get a – it's a dopamine hit.
And it's just vastly more rewarding than whatever temporary thing I'll get from having a drink.
I don't like drinking that much.
But smoking weed was cool because it put me into a very creative spot and kind of gave me this surge of inspiration, if you will.
But it's bad for my lungs.
There were a lot of ups and downs emotionally.
I'd get high and I'd get low and I'd get high and I'd get low.
And now this clarity that I have is just – it's incredible.
It's this steady sort of joy that I – because I had to face myself too.
When you get clear, you have to – things come up.
And then you look at them and you're like – and things that maybe you didn't want to look at before.
Habits that you had or things in your past that you have to forgive yourself for that you didn't really – they're like floating in the back of your mind as unfinished thoughts.
And so without it, all of that masking, I was able to sit and – I mean look.
I was able to sit and write this record, which is the most clear album I've ever – I wanted to know who I was throughout –
Throughout the – without all the – I didn't want to chase a six-minute guitar solo.
I didn't want to chase – I wanted to just figure out who I was stripped away from all that.
There's this guy, Marcus Dowling.
He writes for the Tennessean, and I was sitting talking to him in Nashville.
And he said that when I put – he had a – he was ready to listen to my record, and he was about to have a whiskey.
The first song comes up and he puts his whiskey down.
He's like, oh, I don't want to drink for this.
And I think that music puts you in the state of mind that the artist is in when they recorded it or when they wrote it.
So it's kind of almost like interesting that he decided to put his drink down when he heard this album, like the first song, because like that's where I'm at, you know.
And so I wonder if there's that feeling of like this kind of like it's less of a jam band thing and more of just like straight songs.
I think for me, I was never trying to be as great as him.
It's like creating a holographic bubble that you're all participating in this vibe.
You were there at the McConaughey thing.
It was an electric feeling, right?
Yeah, it was pretty wild.
I was only trying to be close to him.
And a lot of charities.
There's like five different charities that are given to McConaughey.
Because more than anything, my father's a great human being.
I think that – look, I mean –
To become an entertainer, there's a level of self-absorption that you have to sort of like accept.
He's a well-rounded, kind, empathetic human.
All right, I got a big ego.
Now, can I keep my ego in check for my whole life?
Like I think my dad has.
I mean I see my dad as a great example.
I see Paul Simon as a great example.
I see these people that like –
They're just artists through and through.
And for better or worse, not perfect people, but they are who they are.
And they – for the most part, I know my dad –
Has an ego, but he has a good relationship with it because the ego is just the representation of who we are to the rest of the world.
Well, everyone has an ego.
There's an artist named Ren?
I am truly grateful to be his and my mother's son because I have a good family.
He plays guitar and he sings amazing.
Yeah, so he's got a song called High Ren.
It's about communicating with your ego.
What a weird fucking start to a video.
So what I was trying to do was just be closer to him.
As a little kid, the best thing my mom ever did –
He just has a whole conversation with his own mind, you know, his own ego.
And it tries to tell him, you know, that he's not worth shit.
And then he's like, no, wait, I'm getting myself together.
And this whole conversation with him.
And then at the end, it talks about.
where good and evil isn't a battle, it's a dance, and no one ever wins with their battle with their ego.
It's always just a dance, and it's always just kind of finding balance.
was when I was like earlier I was probably five or six years old and my brother had just passed away not too long before this actually and I would cry every time my dad would leave you know and my mom sat me down one time he said it tears him apart when you cry like this because he doesn't want to leave he's going out there he's making people happy he's giving people joy and he's doing what he came here on this earth to do
There's a song I have on my album called All God Did, and it's actually the same concept, and I wrote it before I heard that, but then when I heard that, I was like, oh shit, that's way better.
It's beautifully written.
You could tell all his influences, and then he just kind of adds on to that.
What was the part of the brain that gets enlarged that Huberman was talking about that gets enlarged when you do things you don't want to do?
I always forget the name of it, but Jamie will pull it up.
Cortex anterior or something like that.
Yeah, the enlarges throughout your life when you do things that you force yourself to do.
Anterior midcigular cortex.
No, it's incredible that willpower can be – also can be enhanced.
That that's – it just goes to brain plasticity and that's a concept that I think a lot of people –
don't understand is that we are not set in who we are right we are if especially if we adopt a growth mindset right that we we are never set in who we are we can always improve
and refine the neural structure of our brain to where that it works more efficiently.
At like four in the morning, you know, every day.
But here's the thing is that it becomes a philosophical question because when you say you have to, you know, there are people who get by life, you know, and there is a Tibetan –
tradition and that the monks do where they spend months and they take these little like flute things and they and they have colored sand right and they all sit in a circle and it takes them months sometimes to create this beautiful intricate sand art and they chant while they do it and it's this most incredible thing and at the end they go and they blow it all away yeah
And he's supporting this family.
And it's meant to represent the impermanence of life.
But then it's meant to also pose the question, why make something so beautiful when it's going to be – when you know it's impermanent?
And I believe it goes back to the first thing we started talking about today, which is that meaning is everything in life.
And so the support that my mother had for him
And nothing really in life inherently has any meaning except the meaning we give it, right?
So you could go through life as sand on the beach that blows in the wind and it wouldn't really mean much.
when you blow one way or another.
But if you choose to give your life meaning and build a sand castle and make it as intricate and beautiful as you can and make it as detailed as possible, knowing that one day it's going to get washed away,
The only person that it matters to is you in knowing that you did the best you could at that moment that the wave comes.
At that moment, I never cried again.
I was able to let go of that idea and then just from that point on work towards creating what would make me happy in my life and give me the same joy and then be able to take care of a family hopefully.
But yeah, again, I think it's for them anyways.
Well, in a way it becomes permanent, but it also...
I mean is – just because you see it happening … Let's look at it.
Yeah, I'm sure you could find it on there.
I mean I'm not dismissing it.
But I think it's an interesting question because something that lives in our subjective reality, if you see a video of that happening and then you grasp the concept of it and then that makes you consider that concept in yourself …
understanding that you know that that the meaning is a subjective experience anyways right then now you understand like okay what you you it just causes one to ask the question to themselves and i think that's the purpose that the monks are you know they're they're there as sort of like in a way they're teachers you know so they show you something that like then you ask you know inside
Well, but it's like you don't have to do that, but your life will have –
you will experience a different sense of meaning if you do that.
And that will – I think that's enough for me at least because I'm driven by finding a sense of meaning.
And I think maybe because of how I grew up.
We don't even know if we see the same colors.
One of my greatest sources of pride is that I haven't had to ask my parents for anything.
That's kind of amazing.
I've always loved that concept, right?
And I think that, you know...
Like always says, you know, don't listen to what I'm saying.
Because the Tao that can be spoken is not the real Tao.
And yet here I am just loving the sound of my own voice and talking about it.
You know, so it's like, you know, that's the great paradox of the spiritual self and understanding what that means.
I went and did Star is Born and I've been able to make myself –
One of the great – of course, actually, when I started listening to you, it was in like 2007, 2006.
And it was – I was listening to a lot of Terrence McKenna at the time.
And Terrence McKenna –
Talk about someone who had a grasp on the English language.
What an incredible – like I'd listen to his lectures that were available online.
And I think that makes my parents proud.
there's a Ram Dass conversation I think with Alan Watts oh wow somewhere out there which is really interesting well my friend Duncan became friends with Ram Dass yeah I actually met him in Hawaii one time really yeah I got to meet him yeah
And that's what I've always wanted to do.
He lived not too far from where I live in Maui.
So I went on a whale watch with him one time.
That's been my whole – my whole life is wanting to make them proud.
I think McKenna died when I was a kid, like really early.
Jamie, I heard you play golf.
And you were in a simulator earlier.
I was in a simulator last night until my hands all blistered out.
The closest friends we have are sometimes the ones we give the most shit, though.
There's nothing like that feeling of having a friend that can take it and dole it out.
That's why I love comedians.
That's one of the great joys in life, I think.
I probably laughed harder at myself than at anyone else in my life probably.
Well, I mean it's funny.
I know a lot of people have broken homes and grew up – and even –
you know trying to find meaning in life and you know one day you know like one day is a crazy thought but one day the last remembrance of the human experience will happen yes you know and shit it might be in our lifetime yeah I doubt it I think it'll be I think it'll be because even now we're uploaded into the AI system you know so like something will survive you know something yeah
Yeah, well, whatever we are will lead to whatever comes next.
There's a great episode of Star Trek called The Inner Light.
Have you ever seen that?
Oh, that's bullshit Star Trek.
I caught dad at a good time.
Them's fighting words, man.
Hell yeah, I'm a Picard guy.
I'd vote for him right now.
Meanwhile, he probably could win.
So this is it, the inner light?
Okay, here's the story.
My dad was 55 or so when he had me.
They come across a probe.
Because they're exploring space.
Obviously, if you don't know Star Trek, you're exploring space and the whole their whole mission is to go where no man has gone before.
And so they find this probe.
And as they're scanning the probe, it zaps Picard and he goes unconscious and he wakes up in this on this world.
where he remembers the spaceship, he remembers where he was, but he's got a wife and a family and kids, and this world is being threatened by an exploding sun.
And so he had already been through a lot of his demons and gotten through them and faced them and was still going through them at the time that I was born.
And so he's got a lot of scientific knowledge, so he, over the next 20 years in this world...
He eventually grows old and accepts his fate that he has no idea how he got here, but he's got to live this life now.
And he starts to love his wife and his kids.
He starts to try and save this planet from the exploding sun.
He ends up not being able to.
And then as he dies, he wakes up back on the spaceship again.
With only 20 seconds having gone by on the spaceship.
And the probe was a – had been sent by that civilization.
They knew they were going to be destroyed.
So they uploaded this thing that like would let Picard experience –
what happened to their civilization and tell their story.
And he experienced a lifetime of 40 or 25 whatever years before he died in the span of 20 seconds and then woke up at the moment of his death in that other life and then was able to now tell the story of this forgotten civilization in space.
It's the coolest concept ever.
Okay, I'll have to watch it now.
I mean, it's, you know, I just told you.
But he had come out of a life of habit and sort of formed the ones that would take him at that point to where he is now at 92 years old.
There's a whole movie dedicated to that exact premise.
Called Mission to Mars.
Is it Greg Kinnear, maybe?
Let's look at it, because it's like a great movie.
And it's about that at the end.
Now that I'm thinking about it.
And that's exactly the premise of the entire movie.
And so the premise of the movie is that these people.
They go on a mission to Mars.
They see like a structure on the surface of Mars.
So they go and they check it out.
And then, like, that's the whole thing.
And so I got a good version of dad who had grown since.
I mean, look, I might actually might be a rectangle.
Is it kind of a rectangle?
We'd have to measure it.
I'm sure they can measure it with, you know, throughout.
You know, I just here's the thing.
When I looked at remote viewing, for example, and I really looked and did research on it, the studies that were done.
Man, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
were kind of discredited about how the effectiveness of those actually were.
So if you like really dive in, there's literature that says that it wasn't really – the reason that they – apparently.
Now, this is all like conflicting information.
So what does he say about the idea that the actual studies were not that conclusive and that's why they – It depends on who's doing it.
I feel like I was able to be exposed to a lot of great music, a lot of great mentors in my life.
I can't dismiss anything.
I just know that like when I looked up like
UFO experiences and like this disclosure stuff that's happening lately.
I mean I'm a huge – I'm not just a believer.
I'm a – I pray that there is someone out there disarming nuclear missiles as – especially right now.
Like my great hope is that there is someone just trying to like –
You know, not step in but oversee it to the point where we hopefully we can survive to a point of having an interstellar civilization.
You know, it would be – it's the great dream of humanity, right?
And I'm also lucky that I – at a young age, I'm grateful to my younger child, to myself as a young child for having the wisdom to say, all right, work hard now.
That's the thing is that – and that's what I – you know, I was always – even before –
Elon was as famous as he is now.
When I was like 15, I read his book.
And the one thing that I – I'm a friend of – What was his book?
He read – it was like a book about him maybe.
But what I really wanted the focus to be on was let's put all these resources into getting this planet right first.
Let's put everything we have –
And it felt at the time like, OK, well, yes, we're spending all this money to go off and maybe we're hopeless.
It's possible that we're hopeless and it sounds like that's where they err on this.
It's like, oh, well, humanity on earth is just over.
We just have to go somewhere else.
But then if we go somewhere else, we're just going to do the same thing like you're saying.
All of the resources, in my opinion, should be focused on like – like there's devices that they have invented that can be put in river mouths around the world to filter out pollution and plastics going into the ocean, right?
And it's like this incredible technology.
If the budgets were spent towards these –
innovations you know uh... you know and maybe a i will help it you know right now a is a is is is kind of tax on the planet in terms of like you know it's not very great good for it but maybe the a i technology itself will then invent something that makes itself more efficient for the planet what do you mean by as a tax well because the energy required for the servers and all of that is so so uh... you know it drains
And so but what AI may do is help us create like an ion battery or something that like that, like makes energy give off less, you know, you can have this much more energy with way less heat and way less.
And so then you can create, you know, instead of having to have.
giant warehouses full of servers.
Forget about hanging out.
You can have just – I mean it's the same stuff that happened with the computer where the computer required a giant building when it was first created and now you have computers smaller than a – Just to be clear, Elon's position is not that Earth is – like that humans are helpless or hopeless and we have to just leave Earth.
Work hard eight hours, ten hours a day.
Sing all the time so that when you get to a certain point in life, you'll have something to show for it, something that you can leave behind that's yours.
And I appreciate wanting the human race to survive.
I want us to learn our lessons on this planet.
I think that that's even more important than surviving.
I mean here's the thing.
When you ask yourself – when someone asks themselves, have I lived a life worth living?
Is a life worth living someone who lives a very long time or is a life worth living someone who's lived a good life and maybe for shorter?
So what is the ultimate effect that humanity has on the natural world and environment?
Do we deserve to be spacefaring?
And if we do, then I say let's go.
Well, I mean by my own individual judgment at this point.
No, but the lions – everyone – all the natural world works cyclically.
The way that the lion kills the gazelle and the way that the alligator takes the – Tourist?
Everything works with balance in nature.
You have just enough give and take.
It's worked that way for years.
And then, yes, extinctions, events happen and then things die out.
But there has never been a creature on the planet that
With the ability like we have to take as much resource as we can without replenishing that or balancing that out.
So we, I think, have a responsibility as humanity to understand how to balance ourselves with the – and harmonize with nature.
And I think that's where my great hope is, is that we figure out how to find a cyclical –
arrangement with nature where just like photosynthesis, just like plants give us oxygen and then the carbon dioxide we breathe then the plants then sequester.
The thing about it is that no one believes they're a monster.
Everyone justifies their behavior.
And they think they're doing good.
I mean, with the exception of, like I said, a few sociopathic, completely devoid of empathy individuals.
But for the most part, everyone justifies their behavior.
They don't they judge themselves and then they somehow make it.
Well, because I'm doing this, because I'm doing this, you know, I you know, I can sleep at night.
And so they let themselves sleep at night.
And a lot of times they should be looking at themselves and changing, but they don't.
And like so that's why my policy is.
I try to just always look at myself and see, is this actually beneficial for not just me but for the people around me?
It's hard to find a purpose, you know.
Music has been one of the great things in life that is a win-win.
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it.
It's like, wow, I'm so lucky to just be able to observe, be able to play, be able to sleep well for the most part.
That is something that I've always had growing up, and I think it's because I was—
Other than my dad, it was Jimmy and Stevie Ray Vaughan.
And Stevie Ray being here in Austin, I sort of had a special affinity for, even though Hendrix... Stevie Ray is the only one who's allowed to do Voodoo Child, other than Hendrix.
I think you're probably right there.
I mean other people can.
I actually heard you say that with Charlie.
I was like, yeah, I think I agree.
Well, and he was a disciple of Hendrix.
He really sat and really lived that life.
Again, I'm grateful to that younger kid.
The thing that I learned that was the best lesson I learned, it goes back to why I am sober now and where I'm at.
It was because I think the greatest lie I ever believed for so long – I did 15 years on the road, 250 shows a year.
And I told myself I had to live like my heroes in order to be – and I think that's what –
Sometimes I feel like he's wiser than I am now.
It didn't kill Stevie Ray, but it derailed him for a long time before he got sober.
Stevie Ray died in a tragic accident, obviously.
That younger self is like almost – and now that I'm sober, I quit smoking weed.
The voice is such an incredible thing, is it not?
I mean, you know, the power of a vocal – like, look at James Earl Jones.
to change Darth Vader by the way Darth Vader yeah he is Darth Vader yeah and he lived to be what 95 something like that how long did he I mean he was crazy and he was still doing that well yeah that's there's certain ones but Stevie Ray didn't wouldn't take limos like fuck this limo he wanted to get he liked to talk to cab drivers liked to get in a cab and he liked to just keep it real oh man even though he was a superstar he didn't want to be treated like one he just wanted to be normal
Some of the best conversations I've ever had have been in, like, Ubers or Lyfts or, you know, whatever, just sitting and, like, chatting about, like, where they're from and, like, how they got there.
And, like, there's a lot of incredible stories that, you know, of, like, you know, perseverance.
When did you do all that?
You know, escaping certain situations.
I always try and learn a little bit of the language too.
Like how do you say this?
There's something like – there's something that just makes people I think really drop their defenses when you submit yourself with humility to learn their language.
Really around the pandemic.
And to say, you know what?
Look, thank you for driving me.
I'm so glad you're here.
How do you say thank you?
Right, right, right, right.
But that's usually when a lot of people started.
I went the opposite way.
What's the clicking in Africa?
There's a musician, and I can't remember for the life of me her name.
I started meditating twice a day.
But she sings, and she uses the clicks, and then just does this.
She uses the clicks in her singing.
You know, the only thing I'll do now is mushrooms every once in a while to check in with myself and, you know, just kind of make sure that I'm, you know, I feel like mushrooms is like taking a nice good hose to your soul and just, you know.
And in China, there's, like, I don't know how many different dialects.
And they're, like, completely different dialects.
My mother's side, yeah.
Well, and I think, I'm not certain, but Dean Martin...
had a specific, and it may have been Sicilian or maybe a specific northern Italian, or Napoli maybe.
But the way that he would sing Domenico Modugno's song, Volare, penso che un sogno così non ritorni mai più.
Have you if you heard about the new speaking of AI, the new adventures that were now embarking on some scientists, they're like using AI to communicate with animals like whales.
They just don't have the same lips.
Clean out all the bullshit.
Clean out all the bullshit.
And they're very – dogs will – they're very good at mimicking.
You know, and behavior of –
My dad, you know, Roger Miller.
You ever hear of Roger Miller?
Trailers for sale or rent, rooms to let 50 cent.
You know King of the Road?
So my dad and him were good friends, and he used to tell a lot of great jokes.
But one of them was, it's true, what they say, you start looking like your dog.
I just got chewed out by the neighbor for shitting in their front yard.
My dad has so many amazing jokes.
just a sort of a normal afternoon and I was in Hawaii and I was at my parents house there and it was me and dad were sitting around and Chris Christopherson walks by and in behind walks in they're on their way to the airport or coming from the airport or whatever and in walks in with him Muhammad Ali whoa and so I'm sitting there and me and dad are just picking and
And Muhammad comes and sits down.
And Chris is on one side of him and dad's on the other.
And I'm the one who got the guitar.
And so we just start singing for him.
He can't speak really, you know.
But you could just see me and dad and Chris were just like serenading Muhammad Ali one afternoon.
And we sang Help Me Make It Through the Night.
We sang Always on My Mind.
I sang one of my songs.
So it was like a beautiful afternoon.
I'll never forget that moment.
And the key language there is human being, well-rounded human.
Thoughtful, empathetic.
I mean, wise, you know.
And these people are, you know, they made their life their work.
Jimi Hendrix, I think, was famous in saying that you, you know, your art isn't just the music.
You make your life the work of art.
And that's what, I mean, he had no problem saying.
I just saw him at the Dead show, the Sphere show.
With all the colors that he used in his whole life.
He had no problem expressing himself in many other forms other than how he dressed and how he worked.
Everything was an expression of who he was in his art.
And I'm grateful to have been exposed to a lot of those people in my life.
Have you been to his place?
Yeah, it's beautiful, though.
Yeah, oh, it's an amazing song.
He invited me to his place up there.
It's a beautiful memory, yeah.
It's supposed to be amazing.
I mean, and when I think that I was able to understand.
fame and its trappings at a young age.
And that's something I'm also very grateful for that I was able to see like, okay, a lot of dad's friends, a lot of the people that I grew up around didn't make it very long because they got into this or they got into that.
And I see it all happening a lot to a lot of young people that are unable to handle
fame oh yeah you know and fame is not inherently a good thing i think it's actually probably a net negative although it's a necessary thing if you want your art to get out to as many people as possible or if you want to create a living like i don't depend on my parents so i want my music to get out there so that i'll have a career when i'm 90 i want to be playing
I don't want to – I mean eventually I have to keep making a living.
So you have to be a little famous.
You think there's a part of you that – part of the entertainment world where you have to make sure – you have to put yourself out there.
And that's kind of – despite knowing that when you put yourself out there, then all the – you get unwanted attention too.
I think one of the worst things about it is the scammers on the internet.
There's so many scammers now on Instagram and Facebook and everyone, and they prey on elderly people.
And they prey on... You mean the scam pretend they're you?
They pretend that they're me.
And they go out there and these people are...
I think they're the lowest form on this planet really because these are people that have dementia issues.
They're elderly and they prey on that demographic specifically because they know that they're more gullible and don't understand technology and they think that I'm talking to them and they'll give in some cases thousands and thousands of dollars of their own savings.
And that has almost made me get off the Internet many times.
But even so, what happens when I get off is and they just run rampant.
You know, they create new accounts and then the people that are, you know, sort of and they don't want to believe it's not me.
You know, and so like the people that are caught in it.
get caught and they get hooked.
That just happened to us recently.
I played a show with Eric Church at Chiefs and I had a bunch of friends there and everything.
And we had someone show up.
At the door saying that they had been given – they had been put on the list by me, that I was in a relationship with that person and … You're sure they weren't just schizophrenic?
Well, these people are in some cases schizophrenic or they have Alzheimer's or dementia or memory issues or whatever.
But a lot of times they're just …
being catfished you know they're just like you know like i mean i've seen there is that show catfish that was on tv not too long ago i don't know if it's still around but like these are otherwise sort of normal people that get they get tricked into believing they're in a relationship and they have a girlfriend they're online and they get to the place and that's you know these are like sometimes younger people that even get it just shows you how easily
Sometimes even intelligent people can be manipulated.
We should always be checking in with ourselves and asking ourselves, are we going too far to certain extremes?
Dealing with the internet world.
I mean, and I'm sure it happened in some ways back in the day with letters and things like that.
And you ask yourself, do those people have any –
It's moments like those where I started to gain confidence.
The yin and yang of life.
Another great example of that is when you have to pee so bad, right?
And then that moment when you get to the toilet and it's, ah, wow.
Beer drinkers understand that.
Or when you're sick and then you're like, oh, man.
It's almost like you can't even remember how it felt to feel good.
And then when you feel good, you're like, wow, I'm so grateful that I feel good.
It's an amazing feeling.
Yeah, I never really liked it anyways.
It never really actually put me in—too often—
I always was like, yeah, I wish I hadn't.
It puts you in bad spots.
I think the people, and I've read this, that the people who actually sort of drink and become happier with the life of the party or whatever are the ones who are more likely to become addicted, obviously.
Because there are two types of people that when they drink – like for me, when I drink, it kind of makes me think more and I get kind of depressed and I get kind of down.
I don't really actually – Well, you're a sensitive artist, literally.
I think that the ice bath analogy for me is like I love the clarity that I get after an ice bath, and I feel like sobriety gives me that.
It's just like this great, awake, alive feeling, and I'm living in that clarity.
My dad always says 99% of the things you worry about never come true.
Well, it's helped me get through life understanding people and that their their behavior comes from their own trauma and their own past.
Well, that's the great lesson.
And it's just a matter of –
And it doesn't mean that – I think it doesn't mean that you are that.
It just means that you're afraid of that inside.
It doesn't necessarily mean you are that.
But I think that, yes, it's like what you're most afraid of –
Because you know it exists in you.
Because everything exists in all of us.
We're the exploded universe in manifested motion.
We are the unfolding universe every moment.
Yeah, I mean, it is sort of a cliche.
Yeah, and discipline helps with that.
It helps you to understand that you are responsible for your feelings.
I read The Power of Now, which is Eckhart Tolle, when I was like 13.
I went to school next to a Buddhist temple.
Well, and, you know, I mean, look, we need those people, too.
We need those people to drive change.
You have to be – Weaponized.
It's important that you don't let your emotions be manipulated.
I think that's one of the great lessons in this wild world that we're in.
I mean that's what I try the most.
And so I grew up with my dad teaching me the Lord's Prayer, I'd say, every night.
That's why I try not to make concrete statements unless I know –
At least where I err on is like, okay, this is the compassionate thing to support or do.
I have a charity that I work with called Music Heals International.
And it's a music school in Haiti, in Venezuela, in India.
I think there's a presence here too.
I know that I can in concrete ways make someone's life more joyful and on a face-to-face basis.
David Blaine was telling me about – I met David Blaine one time and he was – he's a cool guy.
And then I'd go to this Buddhist temple and hang with these monks.
And we were discussing that it's almost –
more powerful to be at a hospital and go and talk to the kids that you're supporting in this hospital rather than to donate to that hospital.
I think there's just something so spiritually significant about being with the people that you're helping and the joy in that being reciprocated and that feeling of being at the, you know, just giving is joy, right?
Ultimately, I think that's a really cool thing.
There's a great quote, a man slept and dreamt that life was joy.
He awoke and found that life was service.
He acted and behold, service was joy.
I grew up part-time in Austin.
I mean there's also – I don't like – I think the word kind is more appropriate.
Because people can be nice and not good, but I don't think you can truly be kind.
Well, I mean in a way it's part of every culture.
And I think that keeping up appearances – It was one of the things I hated the most about Los Angeles.
There's a Buddhist temple right there where I was going to school at the time.
You know, I'd have over the years...
Well, I loved it there when I went, and I still love it when I go.
Yeah, I lived there for 10 years.
Okay, well, that's a little different.
Here's what I think about Los Angeles.
Los Angeles is like the cave in Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.
So after school every day, I'd sit with these monks.
and when luke asks yoda what's in there and he says only what you take with you because you can go to l.a and find any type of energy you can go to you can go to l.a and find any type of person there's groups of really amazing people and there's groups of people who are lost you know and there's different areas and there's different places that you know where these different types of people congregate but
is a very powerful place.
It's a lot of moving place.
And I prefer to be in places that are less – there's less movement.
I have my friends in Maui.
My best buddy, Matt Miola, is a professional surfer and he's a bow hunter.
And just the vibe of that is powerful, the chanting, the energy around that, the presence, though, that they have.
My friend Ollie works construction.
When I go home to Maui, I like a simple life.
I like to go out there, and that's how I want to raise my kids.
I want to be out there in nature.
giving and taking with the land, and I want to be able to understand the planet that I live on by working with the earth and working with, you know, and that community in Maui there is a really special place.
My other favorite place is Montana.
I mean, I, I, anywhere there's nature, but I really like, I like that's being in the mountains of Montana and being on Hawaii.
There's only a few places in life that I actually am sad when I leave.
Their whole goal, obviously, is to just be purely present.
Like I get really upset when I leave, you know, it's like breaking up with someone, you know, when you have to leave, but.
Like when I was 11, I wrote this song called You Were It.
And I was on the school bus and I started hearing this song in my head.
And I realized that it hadn't been written yet.
It was something that was coming from...
guess my own experiences but also filtered through somewhere else it felt like it came from somewhere you know like it was a download you know and I I think that I look at I look at writing as if like there's a beautiful muse sitting there and she's giving me these gifts every once in a while and that she sends them to me and if I'm open and clear and not in my own way I
And so while that sounds like a cliche, I truly believe that that's an important thing to –
And I'm, you know, if I get like something that hits me, like a clever line, like there's a song I have called Find Yourself.
And I hope you find yourself before I find somebody else to be my love.
And I start singing that in my head and I start like.
oh, the melody comes and it's a gift.
And wherever I'm at, if I got one right now, I'd have to write it down while we were talking.
I'd have to sit down and be like, hold on, let's write a song.
You know, I can't force her to send me because they're gifts, you know.
And I it's like my dad always says, like waiting for the rain to fill up the well.
You can't force the rain to come.
And the real stuff comes when you just allow yourself to receive it.
To let go of the battle of positive and negative that in the mental space, that's all that exists is duality.
I mean, you know, and you overthink it and you overanalyze it.
How am I going to look?
And is it going to be cool?
People going to like it?
Is this like I think a lot of people get caught up in like, well…
you know, like this latest record, you know, people like, I didn't want to be too flowery with it.
I didn't, I wanted to write simply what came to me.
And sometimes the songs are simple.
And I think that simplicity for some people can be like, Oh, well, what about the, the intricate arrangements?
I'd go out and play, and I'd play my songs that I've written, and I'd get crowds that would do that.
And what about the long jams and the exploration?
Like, that's not what came to me.
And I, I can't cater to those people, you know, right now where my heart is, is,
I'm trying to be as simple as I can be in terms of just only putting out what comes to me at the moment.
And sometimes people aren't going to like it because they're used to me rocking and jamming and doing all that, or they're used to me doing that.
There's a time and a place for everything.
And right now, I have to be open to it as it comes, not as I want it to be or as I think other people will want it to be.
And I prefer – I mean when I listen to my heroes, Hank Williams, Dad, Merle Haggard, Stevie Ray and Jimmy are – look, what came to Jimmy was –
An explosion of color and sound.
I mean, when I hear his music, I see colors that I can't even describe in real life.
Might have something to do with the psychedelics that I also took.
But at the same time, I think that other people... And the psychedelics he took, too.
It goes back to what we're saying.
The state of mind that he was in... 100%.
He captured and he put it out.
Imagine writing Voodoo Child if you're sober.
And there's a time and a place for it.
But I have hundreds of songs I have not released that I wrote at different times in my life.
And I'll eventually put them all out, hopefully, if I'm lucky.
oh okay yeah and so every now and then you check them out a couple hundred songs in there more probably now because i write them all the time you know and uh yeah it's like it's just kind of it just it's like sometimes it's like god i wrote another one it's going to go there and then that one shoots to the top of the list of the one you're interested in because you just wrote it and then something that might be really great just gets kind of
pushed down and then like so what really you really have to do is each project that comes up you have to say what am i trying to what am i trying to get across right now and it's not about whether a song is better or worse it's about what what am i trying to say and how do i present that you know and so i have to collect 10 or 12 or 14 songs from that that kind of fit in this in a narrative you know that you're trying to put out there
I do it for the most part.
Well, because I have fast thumbs.
And my brain works really fast.
And when I get really excited, I'll write it down there.
I can read it properly.
Sometimes I'll write on a piece of paper.
Do you ever talk it to your phone?
I use voice memo to record everything.
So a lot of the demos that I have are just voice memo to phone because my brain's working fast, and this thing works pretty fast.
There is a manipulation that happens on purpose.
I didn't realize that was a feature, and I'm going to start using it.
When you're doing a set, do you have people put their phones away?
I have a song called Turn Off the News and Build a Garden.
And it's very much the same for, you know, in music.
I feel like there's stuff that I try out live, you know, as a song.
I do a lot of new material live just to see how the audience will react.
Do you ever hear that song?
Does it feel weird the first time you sing it?
It depends on what type of song it is, too.
If it's a song that requires focus on the lyrics, then sometimes it feels weird because a lot of people, when they listen to music, they don't hear a lot of – it takes a certain type of listener to listen to lyrics and be able to internalize them.
A lot of people take the song as a whole and the melody and they hear it and they're like, oh, this song makes me feel good.
And then later on, if they like the song, they'll go in and listen to the lyrics.
I've found a lot of people listen to music that way.
And then it takes them a while to actually hear what...
Unless it's a stripped down me and a guitar with no band around and then it forces the listener to then listen to the words, which actually I really like doing that sometimes.
I like just playing just me because then there's no distraction around and it's sort of just –
me a guitar and the words that i'm saying and i think they have more impact sometimes that way yeah people love that too that's why they love acoustic performances right yeah exactly bob dylan was an amazing paul simon again i like you know these are people that i i i cite a lot you know in this in this way but you know sierra farrell do you know sierra farrell oh my god she's on my new record stephen wilson jr he's another great uh amazing country singer songwriter
This is a song called Turn Off the News and Build a Garden.
Sierra Farrell has one of the greatest voices I've ever heard.
You're going to love her music.
And Stephen Wilson Jr., not only is he a great writer, he used to be a food scientist.
So he was a food scientist and he wrote songs kind of as a hobby on the side.
But he was responsible for like what percentage of what sort of –
He goes into making dog food and things like that.
It was really interesting.
Yeah, and now he's really hitting it off.
Yeah, and I just, the news cycle, I mean, there's a difference between being informed and being constantly captured by the cycle.
I think there's a lot of those out there, man.
But I don't – do they think they're evil?
They're probably just getting the job done.
Yeah, and then they develop super addictive junk food.
Support your local family farmer.
Yeah, you don't have to eat junk food.
Yeah, I like, I think as far as junk food goes, just a good old Snickers bar.
I think I just heard you were talking about this.
He used to drink a Coke after each talk?
But wouldn't you want it to be like a more –
Pure like form of sugar than the like isn't there are there different types of like refined sugar is not you know perhaps but also the Like high sugar stuff gets in the muscles quicker.
Got a tune for all your listeners here.
That's got to be genetic slightly too.
I mean it's got to be like the VO2 max is pretty high.
And so that gave me the confidence to keep going.
When Chris died, Chris Christopherson died, it hit me real hard, and I went and ran.
I just kept running like Forrest Gump, and I ran just 13.1 miles.
I stopped when I got half a marathon.
I was like, oh, man, another 13.1 miles for a marathon.
That's a good way to describe it.
Do you do the scans, the body scans?
I haven't done one in a long time, though.
He must have been eating the whole time, like every few miles.
That's incredible, though.
Your body probably is doing everything it can to keep the water.
I mean, I can only guess.
Did you read that book a long time ago that came out?
I think it was called Born to Run, but it was about the Tarahumara tribe.
And I don't remember what it was actually called, but it was really interesting.
Yeah, they run through the mountains.
It's like a South American tribe, right?
Yeah, South American or even Mexican.
But the Tarahumara is what they're called, and they would run barefoot.
And apparently they would also run, which was interesting, they would run happily.
They would have smiles on their faces and they'd be light.
And they said that that helped them sort of lightly grace themselves through the mindset that they had when they ran, helped them to outperform everyone else.
And I first started playing music in order to get closer to my father.
But does the bike hurt your knee too?
He's like placing it on that.
Well, now let me take an assessment now.
Because we're like two hours in.
I just sort of like, yeah, I guess I've just been sitting a while.
You know what I did, which I loved, is...
that really helped me was wherever I would walk, just in general, I would just do a little jog instead of walking somewhere.
I'd just go like, you know.
Just kind of like, almost like this.
And I started to do that every day.
Instead of walking to get my coffee in the morning, I'd kind of do a little jog.
And throughout the day, I'd do that.
And eventually, I started wanting to go out for a run.
My body just started warming up.
And I kind of wanted to do that.
Definitely a hardcore band.
Wait, there are some other ones.
Oh, Biblically Accurate Angel.
Have you seen what a biblically accurate angel looks like?
Well, there's a lot of interesting pictures that are drawn on cave walls and things like that.
When I looked at all of the...
Incredible UFO reports.
The only ones that really had no explanation.
I actually asked chat GPT.
Of all of the credible UFO – of all of the UFO reports, which ones have not in some way been sort of explained, right?
And which ones are the ones that are still like – and the one that was not – the one that's still sort of outstanding is the USS Nimitz experience.
What do you say to the theory of the possibility that that is sort of black ops theory?
Like the idea that the SR-71, I think… Blackbird.
There's a company called Skunk Works, right?
And they were responsible for the declassification of that aircraft.
the F-111 or the stealth bombers.
But since then, and that was like 25 years ago or more, there have not been any more declassifications.
Yeah, that's a good argument.
I'm curious as to what in 25 years, based on the technology that we've been able to see that makes it to modern society, how much...
is you know held back and what we don't see um you know just interests me and i i don't know i don't have an answer you know i'm not asking myself whether you know i don't i actually believe that it's it's almost unlikely that we have that technology but because i feel like it would just take so much more than we may be capable of to cover it up but maybe not i don't know
Yeah, artificial horizon technology and stuff like that.
I mean, it's got to have come far since then.
No, I'm only asking the question.
I actually pretty much –
That's where I lean towards when it comes to that.
It changes it when you remember how long ago these things were being seen.
Yeah, so I've always felt that way, and I think that there's...
Yeah, well, there may be sort of just trillions of alternate sort of momentum shifts in the outside protective layer that balance out whatever is happening on the inside to the point where they're using this crazy technology.
When I was in Maui, twice I've seen something that I could not explain.
The one time I looked up and about nine of us were hanging out.
And we all looked up at the same time to see an orange orb.
And it was probably, it looked like it was 100 yards away, maybe 200, just floating, kind of observing.
And then I swear it seemed like as soon as enough people saw it,
Being a part of your community, being a part of decisions that are made, I think that's huge.
It went and then it went and it moved like nothing else I thought possible at the time.
It went out of the atmosphere and it was crazy, faster than any drone.
And this was back in like 2010.
So it was very – we were all young.
I was maybe a little teenager.
So it was probably like 2006.
But it was like – it was crazy.
So he would be gone all the time, and I'd be missing him.
And another one, I was out on Lanai and we were hanging out with some friends.
the lawn and and when you're out in lanai on the backside of lanai there's no light pollution at all and so you have just this big giant fish bowl of stars and it's the most incredible it's like you're sitting in a spaceship in a spaceship exactly and you feel that you're on spaceship earth at the time you know like you are on that rock hurtling through space at that point
I think local communities are really important.
and I saw this we all scared the girls we all saw this pulsing colored thing go from one side of the horizon to the other um
I think local town meetings, understanding where you're going and understanding where your neighborhood is going and getting to know your neighbors because it's really hard to –
but in a very, it was like pulsing different colors, and it was really interesting.
And so, you know, who knows what that could have been, but it was quite interesting.
I mean, that's I guess the deep pressure is what would be the, you know, it's almost the opposite of being in space.
You know, the vacuum and then you have the deep pressure of, you know, that pressure.
Well, I wonder if then we're talking about like bending space-time.
At that point, are you creating some sort of like –
Yeah, you're creating some sort of a warp drive.
You know, where you're just, like, warping space and time around a centralized location.
And you sort of have to be, you know, use sort of the, you know, these, like...
sort of exotic forms of matter and having an understanding of exotic matter, which we're now just starting to understand that there are these exotic matter types that work in these weird ways.
But as we... If you read about it now, the only information available is that we're only cracking the surface of the understanding of these types of matter.
it's hard to have any hatred when you understand and know your neighbor.
Hundreds of thousands of years away from understanding that.
And you know the people that are around you.
You know, and so I think that
The interesting question for ourselves is how do we get to a place as a society to where we can trust in –
We can trust to say that we trust it enough to fund it.
Well, but that's what I mean.
Like how do we restore faith in that?
And because there are – it's not all bullshit.
Yeah, that's kind of where I come from.
We wouldn't exist where we are without the science that has brought us to where we are.
And so understanding and trusting and figuring out how to restore faith in certain institutions that we have.
I just think it's important to get out there.
Because we need them to survive and to keep going.
So it's like not tearing down the airplane while it's falling.
You have to repair the airplane from inside and then keep it flying if you can.
So is there a way to like right the ship while we're in it?
I usually try not to stand on soapboxes, though.
I'm just what I'm saying.
I'm like how do we switch it so that we can have people in power that really are looking out for the future of humanity and then have people that actually want that because some people are going to have to take –
sacrifices for that, you know, in a way.
And I mean, people high up are going to have to say, well, I'm going to have to, you know, get paid a little less because this, you know.
It's a great struggle, Lucas.
If I have something to say, I'll put it in my music, and I'll put it out there.
And so in order to get close to him, I figured I need to speak the same musical language.
I enjoyed talking to you.
I enjoyed talking to you, too.
Yeah, well, on all the platforms, of course.
We're there, and we got a tour posted.
Yeah, I mean, we're about to put out new dates, too, for the fall.
We're going to be all over the East Coast, the West Coast.
We're going to be everywhere.
Oh, yeah, that was a while ago.
The ones coming up, Charlottesville, Virginia, Allentown, Pennsylvania.
Well, that's the best way to get it to people anyway.
Oh, yeah, those are May.
Yeah, Montana's going to be great.
Yeah, look at Bob Dylan, Masters of War.
I mean, that's the military-industrial complex right there.
That's an incredible song.
Only a pawn in their game is the history of racism and how that started is pretty much a controlled political ploy to get the poor blacks and the poor whites to blame each other for everything happening.
You ever hear Bill Hicks bit about the news?
Well, you know, look, I think it's out there.
I think it's always been out there.
But I think the way to combat it...
is to build strong local community yeah you know and and build uh you know that's why i think regenerative regenerative farming is really important and trying to and then you know voting for people that will support local agriculture and proper properly grown food and probably like sourced food and these things are very important you know
And so I learned Young, and I wrote a song, Young, that's on the new album actually I got.