Luke Caverns

And I think that that's testament to how flawed humans are. Uh, like Athenian society is extremely dangerous. Um, but it wasn't as dangerous as a lot of other places in the world. Um, you know, the politics, people wanting to become a political, that was a battle of life and death. Like if you wanted to become a high ranking politician, um,

And I think that that's testament to how flawed humans are. Uh, like Athenian society is extremely dangerous. Um, but it wasn't as dangerous as a lot of other places in the world. Um, you know, the politics, people wanting to become a political, that was a battle of life and death. Like if you wanted to become a high ranking politician, um,

if you were successful, there was a chance that somebody was going to try to frame you for a crime to have you executed. These are people that live like a block away from you, you know? So, but for the people, maybe the lower ranking higher class society.

if you were successful, there was a chance that somebody was going to try to frame you for a crime to have you executed. These are people that live like a block away from you, you know? So, but for the people, maybe the lower ranking higher class society.

if you were successful, there was a chance that somebody was going to try to frame you for a crime to have you executed. These are people that live like a block away from you, you know? So, but for the people, maybe the lower ranking higher class society.

So you have Athenians, but then you have servants and you have the servant class that has no rights at all, but maybe they still have a better life than servants in other places in the world. So it's this complicated thing, but it's just the origins of this Western mindset. Now, um,

So you have Athenians, but then you have servants and you have the servant class that has no rights at all, but maybe they still have a better life than servants in other places in the world. So it's this complicated thing, but it's just the origins of this Western mindset. Now, um,

So you have Athenians, but then you have servants and you have the servant class that has no rights at all, but maybe they still have a better life than servants in other places in the world. So it's this complicated thing, but it's just the origins of this Western mindset. Now, um,

Now, I say that I think that we're self-aware in the way that they are because of how much Americans bicker with each other and how, you know, it is kind of split down the middle. Maybe that comes from the two-party system, which the Athenians didn't have the dilemma of. That's another thing. They had a complete... They had a literal democracy.

Now, I say that I think that we're self-aware in the way that they are because of how much Americans bicker with each other and how, you know, it is kind of split down the middle. Maybe that comes from the two-party system, which the Athenians didn't have the dilemma of. That's another thing. They had a complete... They had a literal democracy.

Now, I say that I think that we're self-aware in the way that they are because of how much Americans bicker with each other and how, you know, it is kind of split down the middle. Maybe that comes from the two-party system, which the Athenians didn't have the dilemma of. That's another thing. They had a complete... They had a literal democracy.

So mob rule, like you could be swayed left and right. And that was the problem with Athenian society.

So mob rule, like you could be swayed left and right. And that was the problem with Athenian society.

So mob rule, like you could be swayed left and right. And that was the problem with Athenian society.

That's a huge difference. So, you know, we have Republican measurements in place to stop that from happening. The pendulum doesn't swing as much in the United States, but you can't blame the Athenians because they literally just invented that form of government, right? Yeah. but it was better than being ruled over by a bad king.

That's a huge difference. So, you know, we have Republican measurements in place to stop that from happening. The pendulum doesn't swing as much in the United States, but you can't blame the Athenians because they literally just invented that form of government, right? Yeah. but it was better than being ruled over by a bad king.

That's a huge difference. So, you know, we have Republican measurements in place to stop that from happening. The pendulum doesn't swing as much in the United States, but you can't blame the Athenians because they literally just invented that form of government, right? Yeah. but it was better than being ruled over by a bad king.

Some people think so. Some people think that a direct democracy would be better. So there's that. There's dangers to direct democracy, too. So that's kind of something that the founding fathers were worried about, was that they liked the mentality of the Athenians under like Periclean Athenian society. They liked that. That's a whole deeply nuanced conversation.

Some people think so. Some people think that a direct democracy would be better. So there's that. There's dangers to direct democracy, too. So that's kind of something that the founding fathers were worried about, was that they liked the mentality of the Athenians under like Periclean Athenian society. They liked that. That's a whole deeply nuanced conversation.

Some people think so. Some people think that a direct democracy would be better. So there's that. There's dangers to direct democracy, too. So that's kind of something that the founding fathers were worried about, was that they liked the mentality of the Athenians under like Periclean Athenian society. They liked that. That's a whole deeply nuanced conversation.