Luke Caverns

It would have a different shape, for sure. There's a shelf that drops off steeply into the Pacific, almost the whole coast.

It would have a different shape, for sure. There's a shelf that drops off steeply into the Pacific, almost the whole coast.

It would have a different shape, for sure. There's a shelf that drops off steeply into the Pacific, almost the whole coast.

From Alaska down to South America, there's... There's a shelf. I mean, not a totally flat shelf, but there's parts that we would have to know were land, and then there's a place that's drop-off.

From Alaska down to South America, there's... There's a shelf. I mean, not a totally flat shelf, but there's parts that we would have to know were land, and then there's a place that's drop-off.

From Alaska down to South America, there's... There's a shelf. I mean, not a totally flat shelf, but there's parts that we would have to know were land, and then there's a place that's drop-off.

And so that's the story we have to go with as far as our evidence. Is it true that the archaeologists... You know, White Sands just changed everything. I mean, the oldest stuff we have in South America, like the great site of... What's it, Monteverde? Tom Dillehay's site is at like 14,900 years. And for decades, when I was a student, that was the big discovery.

And so that's the story we have to go with as far as our evidence. Is it true that the archaeologists... You know, White Sands just changed everything. I mean, the oldest stuff we have in South America, like the great site of... What's it, Monteverde? Tom Dillehay's site is at like 14,900 years. And for decades, when I was a student, that was the big discovery.

And so that's the story we have to go with as far as our evidence. Is it true that the archaeologists... You know, White Sands just changed everything. I mean, the oldest stuff we have in South America, like the great site of... What's it, Monteverde? Tom Dillehay's site is at like 14,900 years. And for decades, when I was a student, that was the big discovery.

And that changed everything and turned our heads on end and said, you know, wow, is the oldest evidence South America? But now, just in the last year or two, White Sands has clapped back with a 23. Wow.

And that changed everything and turned our heads on end and said, you know, wow, is the oldest evidence South America? But now, just in the last year or two, White Sands has clapped back with a 23. Wow.

And that changed everything and turned our heads on end and said, you know, wow, is the oldest evidence South America? But now, just in the last year or two, White Sands has clapped back with a 23. Wow.

You have those sites in the eastern Amazon, right, in Brazil, that go back about 10,000 years?

You have those sites in the eastern Amazon, right, in Brazil, that go back about 10,000 years?

You have those sites in the eastern Amazon, right, in Brazil, that go back about 10,000 years?

Very old stuff there, but it's not older than Dillehay's site, Monteverde. Am I saying that wrong? I hope not. Actually, the granddaughter of Teddy Roosevelt, Anna Roosevelt, has done heroic, great work in the Amazon and found pottery that was 9,000 years old. It's the oldest pottery in the entire Americas, and it's out of caves along the Amazon? How the heck is that happening? So yeah, I mean...

Very old stuff there, but it's not older than Dillehay's site, Monteverde. Am I saying that wrong? I hope not. Actually, the granddaughter of Teddy Roosevelt, Anna Roosevelt, has done heroic, great work in the Amazon and found pottery that was 9,000 years old. It's the oldest pottery in the entire Americas, and it's out of caves along the Amazon? How the heck is that happening? So yeah, I mean...

Very old stuff there, but it's not older than Dillehay's site, Monteverde. Am I saying that wrong? I hope not. Actually, the granddaughter of Teddy Roosevelt, Anna Roosevelt, has done heroic, great work in the Amazon and found pottery that was 9,000 years old. It's the oldest pottery in the entire Americas, and it's out of caves along the Amazon? How the heck is that happening? So yeah, I mean...

I think we're still very much in the process. We've got to go with the information we have. I don't think we have all the answers. I think there are a lot of sites now that need to be revisited. Again, when I was a student 30 years ago, I would read about things out of the Amazon that were 25, 30,000 years old, but the literature in my archaeology class would always conclude with

I think we're still very much in the process. We've got to go with the information we have. I don't think we have all the answers. I think there are a lot of sites now that need to be revisited. Again, when I was a student 30 years ago, I would read about things out of the Amazon that were 25, 30,000 years old, but the literature in my archaeology class would always conclude with