Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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But the lotus flower does not exist anymore in Egypt. You also have them in India and you have them maybe in Japan and then in Mexico and in Egypt. Those are the places on the world that they're grown. But the species are all slightly different. The Egyptian lotus flower was its own unique thing that doesn't exist anymore.
We have evidence of them though, organic evidence, because they will be essentially mummified and stored in a tomb and And then you can go find like the crusted up petals of a lotus flower. And then they go and then, you know, they put them they put them in like the little glass display and they're kept in laboratories where they can be examined.
And the last time I know that one was examined is maybe in the 90s. And they they compared it to the modern day lotus flower. I don't know where this modern day lotus flower came from, either in the Americas or India. but there was like a 15% difference in the DNA of the flowers.
And it was something about that 15% difference that actually would, I wish I could explain the chemicals behind it, but that 15% difference was a drastic difference. So anyways, the research that we know as far as what the Egyptians were using the lotus flower for is numerous and bountiful, but yet scant and hard to interpret. So all around ancient Egypt, man. Ryan, I sent you some photos of...
Yeah, it's not in this folder, but in the other one. All around Egypt, dude, when you go, just look for the lotus flower. You're going to see it everywhere. Everywhere. So this is, I think that this is in the Temple of Seti. This is outside the Osirion. Okay, so there's lotus flower too. So you see the lotus flower at the top of these, you see them open and closed.
So do you see right here at the bottom in the middle, you see that closed lotus flower column and to the left of that, you see the open lotus flower column. So you see these columns everywhere and the column is like, look at the column itself as the stem of the flower and it's blooming up into the temple ceiling. Now, a lot of temple ceilings, it's the night sky.
And so part of me wonders if I've wondered just from coming from the Maya world and in the Maya world, everything is so symbolic. and so deeply meaningful and there's nothing that's wasted space. Everything is conveying a message to you.
When I was in Egypt and I was talking about these columns, there was an Egyptologist there and I was explaining to her, some of my expertise comes from studying Latin America where everything is so symbolic and deep and everything has a meaning. What do you think behind that? And she told me, she was like, don't Mayanize this, just appreciate it. And I was like... Are you kidding?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, you know, I had thought that surely there is some kind of deep meaning behind the columns, the top of the columns either being enclosed or a blooming lotus flower. And then the column itself is essentially symbolic of the stem of the flower. Or sometimes it's symbolic of a wrapping of different offerings.
Like you can see on this closed one, they're wrapped together. Okay, so on the left, that comes from the Temple of Seti just outside the Osirion. And All around the Egyptian world, you're going to see these offering scenes where it's the Pharaoh giving an offering to Amun or whatever God is in front of him.
And on that offering, there's going to be this little stand, there's going to be a vase of some kind, and then it's going to be the lotus flower. You'll have one that's open, you'll have two that are closed. and sometimes there'll be a papyrus flower there as well. Sometimes they're either draped over the vase or they're coming out of the vase.
And you're gonna see this everywhere, all over the Egyptian world. And so one of the polarizing things is the interpretation of, well, what is this flower being used for? What is it being used for? Well, we found these pornographic images before. where you see people performing all kinds of interesting and complicated positions. And they're all sniffing of the lotus flower.
They've got the lotus flower coming off the top of their head. They're using the lotus flower, like, you know, in these parties. And so one of the interpretations here has been, and the research has shown, from using the lotus flowers and the chemicals that are in them. Ryan, in my, in the... Oh, wow, you pulled that up fast. Yeah.
holy crap yeah he already had this one ryan already had that okay okay um i'm just messing with you right uh um yeah so uh that's funny okay so go to go to my paper ryan i don't think we can show that on the final broadcast by the way we might have to blur some things out but man art is art Wow. That's okay. Yep.
So this, I think, I think you'll really love when I get to the end of painting this picture, this is a deeply profound element of Egyptian society. I've never seen anybody talk about, but it just, it takes a little while to build up to it. All right. So, so blue Lotus effects, if you go to that, So this is like a synthesized, hyper-simplistic version of the paper that I'm writing.
Sorry, sorry. No foreplay on that. We went straight to it. All right. So the most definitive ancient use is that it's agreed widely to have been used during religious rituals and sexual enhancement because of the presence of apomorphine. That's what I wanted to get at. So... So apomorphine is something that is used in modern day Viagra.
And there was a research team that was working in Egypt in the late 90s. And they produced this documentary that I named my paper after. It's aptly called The Flower That Seduced Egypt. And basically at the end of this research, they deduced that the thing that they can find the best evidence for right now
Technology is much more limited 30 years ago than today, and nobody's picked this research up since then. The most definitive thing that they can find evidence for that the Egyptians could have been using it for is sexual enhancement and, like, vigor, right? And I found that really interesting.
But they also hypothesized the idea that it could have been used... There's elements about the flower that could be used for preserving youth and health, but also the psychedelic aspects of it. It's a fact that the fruit of the... All right, so the fruit of the lotus flower. It's a fact that the chemical that that produces is...
When consumed in a moderate amount, whether you're distilling it in the leaves as well, but also the fruit, if you distill it and age it and put it in wine, which wine would have been consumed in Greece, also in Egypt, but in Egypt, they're also brewing beer. If you smoke it in moderate amounts, it will have a mild psychedelic effect.
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