Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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Flint is in a position where he is an archaeologist, and he has a responsibility to talk as conservatively as he can as a representative of his field, whereas Graham is not an archaeologist. He's a journalist, and he has a freedom to hypothesize in a way that Flint would be criticized by his colleagues for – well, I don't know. I mean – I think lots of archaeologists have flaky ideas.
We just talk to each other different because we're in the club. I don't think – and if you listen to Graham, he never says these are facts. He says this is my gut feeling. These are hypotheses. And he's free to hypothesize like that as an investigative journalist and be responsible within his own field in a way that Flint, if he said the same thing – Right. Right.
I think another aspect is that we archaeologists really try to come up with hypotheses that we can test. There's tons of hypotheses. We could all say, well, I think there was a civilization 12,000 years ago. Okay, well, where's the proof? Do we have an artifact assemblage? Do we have buildings? Do we have a chronological sequence of of things in a stratified dig.
Those are the things that we, you know, we try to come up with hypotheses that are testable. And if they're untestable, well then, you know, at some point we stop talking about it, at least in archaeology. So he's, you know, I think that people like Flint and myself are bound by being representatives of our field to try to
not profess hypotheses that we have no possible way of testing and proving or denying.
I can talk whatever the hell I want to talk about. That's beautiful. I'm my own boss. But I am just as educated as other folks are, in many ways more so, at least for the Americas. I don't know anything about a lot of other parts of the world. And, you know, just for the record, I like the dreaming hypotheses things that people like Graham Hancock come up with.
As long as it's not disparaging some group of people and exalting another – I think it's fun. I think it's what inspires us. I think that most archaeologists, if you ask them honestly how they got started in archaeology, it was dreaming about fantasy things. And then we find a shade of that. In history work, and we go from there, but I mean, you know, this is how we get inspired.
And we do owe folks like Hancock a debt of gratitude that he has inspired millions of people to be interested in the kind of things that I do.
Yeah, I think I probably would not be sitting here if I hadn't read Fingerprints of the Gods as a young teenager. You know, Fingerprints of the Gods was the very first place that I ever learned about the Olmecs. You know, Olmecs, highly fascinating, but very little published about them, right? Especially in popular media. So that makes it into...
fingerprints of the gods which came out in 1995 and and you know that sort of you know kind of pushed along you know whatever interest it had and probably you know expanded the interest so you know I read about the Olmecs in that book I read about the Amazon and you know at about 16 or 17 and that kind of fuels an interest also read about Egypt so I start studying ancient Egypt and
By the time I'm in, by the time I'm about 21, I decide that I'm not going to be able to get through college if I keep going down this marketing route. I've got to do something that I loved.
And I was always inspired by, you know, we talked about last time, like my grandfather was, all my grandfathers were explorers and antiquarians that, you know, funded digs out in the, at these Mogollon sites in New Mexico and discovered some cool stuff.
And, you know, that inspired me, but also Graham Hancock kind of fueled that wonder, you know, of, you know, I wonder if there is, you know, something out there. And so when I first started, I was, you know, really hardcore on the, you know, the pyramids have to be 12,000 years old.
And just because I hadn't exposed myself to anything else beyond that, but then- When you first came on the show, you were pretty, you know, you believed that, you were pretty stuck.
Well, so what I was saying was, I think that- Okay, so this kind of leading into what I'm saying is, is I think that as I, as I became, as I started to educate myself more, you know, I read Fingerprints of the Gods and, and then, you know, just wanted more and more and more and more. And so, you know, you pick up textbooks at a certain point because it's just, you can't get enough.
And then you read things in textbooks that challenge the preconceived notions that you, that you had. And so, you know, I've done a huge dive just on Giza in the last year and, um, learned a lot of things that have challenged my beliefs about the pyramids.
And I think, I think that, you know, even Graham Hancock has come around to, you know, the greater part of the pyramids must be, uh, fourth dynasty, you know, under the Pharaoh Khufu. Uh, he, he talked about this on, on either Rogan or, um, another podcast, um, but I clipped it and put it on my ex account. And, um,
And I became exposed to, you know, information like, and I got to see these just a month ago, these cedars of Lebanon that are inside the, you know, it's quote unquote burial chamber, but without a sarcophagus. It's a strange chamber in the pyramid. In what pyramid? The Bent Pyramid.
So, up at the highest chamber in the Bent Pyramid, there are these cedars of Lebanon that are built into the pyramid. And they only could have been placed there at a time before the top of the pyramid. Maybe the last 10% is... No, I'm sorry. Really, the next 50% is built because it's only about halfway up in the pyramid.
But those cedars of Lebanon kind of lock that pyramid into a certain time frame. They carbon date them and they're about... They're about 4,800 years ago, you know, 2,800 BC. And, you know, so we know exactly how old these trees are. So they kind of lock them in place.
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