Luke King

Correct, correct.

And you've also announced a series of ice-class vessels.

Talk to us about those.

I understand they're not for any particular region?

And in terms of decarbonization, fuel efficiency, how do the new vessels contribute to your objectives there?

In general, but the ice class as well, if you want to talk about that.

One of the big forwarders was saying on the podcast recently that it used to be only the bigger clients were concerned about sustainability, how green the transport is, but that's changing and actually now the smaller clients are too.

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And how do you feel about the container lines and other carriers like that entering the market?

And has BBC's strategy changed much over the years or has it been pretty fixed?

So I thought I'd ask you, if you were CEO for the day, what decisions would you make about the future of BBC Chartered?

And how concerned are you about the slow pace of new vessel construction?

Or are you not?

But there aren't that many new ships coming on, are there?