Luke Moore

And the team I played for in New Zealand played against them in a cup game, although I didn't play.

So I can't say I've played against a team that he's played for.

But that is... That's the level.

This wasn't that long ago.

This is like 2019 he played for them.

It's like he started out when he was like 14.

This is like he would have been probably in his mid-20s then.

That's the level we're talking about.

Sure, I don't mean they're trying to take that specifically from us.

They're trying to take the very semblance, any semblance of what the World Cup is actually good about.

Yeah, and surgically removing it.

If we've said then, David, that it's going to be something of a training session and a warm-up and all the rest, I mean, it is quite literally being built as a warm-up game.

And we're going to have players involved probably who won't feature in the World Cup proper.

What do you actually want to see from this game and from this England team and from Thomas Tuchel that's going to move the dial at all for you?

Because to me, it feels very difficult to think of anything that will move the dial.

I feel like, to me, the only angle I can think of, Jim, is the idea that you have two warm-up games, because obviously they've got this one and another one,

you maybe you just bed in the first 11 you want to play you've got to tell anyone to give it give the game away but you bed in the first 11 you want to play in the opening group game and you play that team in both these games and you make the changes you were thinking about changing see how it works out see what the shape looks like that to me is the only real reason to do anything

Jordan Henderson.

Do you think he's got all 11, do you?

Yeah, I think it is fairly, weirdly enough, I kind of agree with both of you.