Luke Swanick

Yeah, I mean, it was pretty neat.

When I was working with my dad, actually, I started a lot of side projects.

My dad was starting his own thing.

And one of them ended up to be nonprofit volunteer management, which evolved into external partner management, which evolved into channel partner program management.

So it did sort of happen at around the same time, but I find it to be equally as fun.

I think that that would have been...

in 2014.

Okay.

I would have just graduated.

I'm just touching 30 now.

I just had my birthday not too long ago.

But yeah, right out of school, I started working with my dad on that project and started to explore all the fun things that are side gigs.

Yeah.

So when we started working on kind of the nonprofit and volunteer management space,

That would have been probably in early 2014, I believe.

And we just started, you know, speaking with NPOs, speaking with high schools that had a lot of students that were looking to volunteer.

And what we found was that the nonprofit space is incredibly finicky.

So everyone's kind of waiting for grant funding to come in.

And when they get their financing, then they can talk about actually investing in some scalable infrastructures.

And it was a hard place to play in and not really something that we were enjoying.