Luke Tryl

And I'll be interested to see whether Luke and Alex agree with this at all.

But I think you have, broadly speaking, four parties, the Greens, Labour, the Scottish Greens, Labour, the SNP and the Liberal Democrats.

who are fundamentally in favour of a relatively generous welfare state, of a relatively, what they would call, progressive system of taxation, and that government can fix things.

And then you've got two parties of the right, the Reform UK and the Scottish Conservatives, who say, actually, government needs to, very broadly speaking, get out of the way more, cut taxes, encourage growth.

I mean, there you go.

If we're to boil it right down, is that fair?

And without even mentioning the Constitution, which is actually the other big fault line.

Luke?

Well, I think I totally agree with that.

I would probably add, you've got Constitution, you've got, as you described it, James, sort of typical left-right.

I would add another one, which is sort of radical change versus we can preserve and improve.

And I would probably put Reform and the Greens together in that radical change and the other parties in that other camp.

But...

Again, it's interesting, you know, you talk about those six leaders, and I'd be interested, James, in particular, if you've heard any of this sort of in your feedback, is when we speak to people in focus groups, they're really underwhelmed across the board.

And what we often hear is a sort of, particularly from nationalists, a sort of sense of loss around Sturgeon.

You know, people say, bring up Sturgeon repeatedly in focus groups in a way that I don't hear anywhere.

anywhere else.

But even some of the other characters from Scottish politics past, you know, the number of people who will say, oh, well, I liked it when Ruth Davidson was leading the Scottish Conservative.

She was a character.

But, you know, it's almost this sense that the sort of giants of Scottish politics from the voters' eyes aren't there at the moment.