Luke Vargas

I mean, is there actually any risk of that?

I mean, situate for us what we believe the vibe to be in Silicon Valley responding to all this.

Sam, this tech decoupling is being led by governments like France to develop sovereign tech systems.

But surely this also requires a strong private tech sector if there's any hope of rivaling the U.S.

I've been speaking to Wall Street Journal tech reporter Sam Schechner.

We've got to take a short break, but when we come back, we'll take a closer look at what digital sovereignty looks like for the man leading the charge in France.

Stay with us.

Let's ditch the jargon and answer the question simply.

What does sovereign tech really look like?

Well, who better to ask than David Amiel, France's Minister for State Reform, who is on the line with us from Paris.

David, define in your words how France and you see tech sovereignty.

What does that mean?

Just in terms of critical dependency and steps to reduce it, tell me about the push to shift government workers away from U.S.

video conferencing platforms and how that fits into the wider strategy.

So what's next here?

Is the French government going to back more tools?

And are you going to try and convince the private sector to adopt this software?

I see that you wrote last year that...

responding to President Trump's economic policies, confrontation in the digital field may be inevitable.

You also said that Europe was becoming less frightened of wielding power when it comes to taking its technological future into its hands.