Luke Vargas

Well, who better to ask than David Amiel, France's Minister for State Reform, who is on the line with us from Paris.

David, define in your words how France and you see tech sovereignty.

What does that mean?

Just in terms of critical dependency and steps to reduce it, tell me about the push to shift government workers away from U.S.

video conferencing platforms and how that fits into the wider strategy.

So what's next here?

Is the French government going to back more tools?

And are you going to try and convince the private sector to adopt this software?

I see that you wrote last year that...

responding to President Trump's economic policies, confrontation in the digital field may be inevitable.

You also said that Europe was becoming less frightened of wielding power when it comes to taking its technological future into its hands.

But how much less frightened?

And specifically, what if the steps you're taking get the attention of the White House and provoke U.S.

anger?

This is still early days, but I'm curious what you've learned about that effort so far, what it's going to take for France if it wants to rival U.S.

tech competition and cultivate its domestic industry.

The U.S.

president has also been very forceful in basically going out there and soliciting orders, for example, for Boeing planes as a part of trade deals around the world.

Are we learning that that's kind of something that's necessary here?

You've got to basically help your companies compete at the head of state level?