Lulu Garcia Navarro

You're both women who've broken a lot of barriers, contemporaries at the time.

How do you see her legacy?

Do you regret leaving Condé Nast when you did?

I mean, when you look at her career, and like you said, she became Condé Nast.

Her sort of legacy is very much cemented.

You could have had that too.

You've kind of touched on it in some of your writings about that period.

And knowing what the 80s and 90s were like, I imagine it was pretty sexist.

You know, we're at a moment now with a lot of regression in terms of the way women are talked about, perceived, what their role in society is viewed as.

I'm wondering what you remember about that time.

Well, we should say that your substack has been reprinted on the Free Press.

It has.

Yes, it has.

Yes, yes.

No, I'm an admirer, actually.

I was very curious to think about what you would make of her.

Another person who came after you is Graydon Carter, who was the editor of Vanity Fair.

And he wrote in his memoir recently some things that were perhaps less flattering about you.

He said that the first two years there were pretty dreadful in part because, I'm quoting, the Tina Brown allies who had been left behind were deeply hostile and subversive.

And when he arrived, there was almost nothing lying around that I thought was worth publishing.