Lulu Garcia Navarro

Were you shocked?

That last breakfast that you had together was two months from the time that he told you he'd been caught filming because it took that long for the police to call you both into the station.

You initially assumed that it was about the filming, that that's why you were both going to the police station.

But this is when you learn what actually had been happening to you.

I know this is an incredibly painful moment, but could you take me into it?

When they sit you down, what do they tell you and what do you see?

It is unimaginable.

This man that you had been married to for 50 years, suddenly you get given this information.

What was it like to see that unconscious version of yourself?

You write that a wave of shame swelled up inside of me after this revelation.

Can you talk me through why you felt shame at that moment?

I'm going to quote something that's a little graphic.

Is that okay?

All right.

For listeners who may not have followed the trial, and forgive me, I just want to give a few examples of the scale of the abuse that you learned about in the months that followed this police station visit.

Monsieur Pellicot was finding men online to rape you while you were heavily drugged.

And then he would meticulously film those encounters.

This was happening constantly.

After your children came for dinner, while you were on vacation.

There's one moment that you describe in the book where a crown had come loose in your mouth.