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I think there is a concern that people that get put into these systems, it's sort of like a black hole. It's a legal limbo.

I think there is a concern that people that get put into these systems, it's sort of like a black hole. It's a legal limbo.

But not ones that have been in the United States or people who have been caught at sea.

But not ones that have been in the United States or people who have been caught at sea.

How have you seen the deportation working in the last three weeks since Trump has taken over?

How have you seen the deportation working in the last three weeks since Trump has taken over?

You think it's ineffective? Yeah.

You think it's ineffective? Yeah.

Do you take Donald Trump and his administration at face value that what they're interested in doing is deporting criminals as opposed to deporting immigrants?

Do you take Donald Trump and his administration at face value that what they're interested in doing is deporting criminals as opposed to deporting immigrants?

As we've discussed, there are concerns about Democrats being too deferential to the more liberal parts of the party. Yes, on immigration, but also gender, LGBTQ rights, DEI, whatever it is. And these are all things that the right has been hammering Democrats on for a while. And it seems to be working.

As we've discussed, there are concerns about Democrats being too deferential to the more liberal parts of the party. Yes, on immigration, but also gender, LGBTQ rights, DEI, whatever it is. And these are all things that the right has been hammering Democrats on for a while. And it seems to be working.

So how do Democrats stand for what they believe in without being seen by voters as being outside of the mainstream?

So how do Democrats stand for what they believe in without being seen by voters as being outside of the mainstream?

Senator Ruben Gallego, thank you very much.

Senator Ruben Gallego, thank you very much.

That's Senator Ruben Gallego. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman. Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew and Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict.

That's Senator Ruben Gallego. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman. Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew and Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict.

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