Lulu Garcia Navarro

Another place where the federal and state governments are linked is on education. President Trump has made rolling back DEI, which is diversity, equity and inclusion, central to his political project. He has said now that he's going to be cutting federal funding for schools that include it. We don't know exactly what that means. It's sort of open to interpretation.

Another place where the federal and state governments are linked is on education. President Trump has made rolling back DEI, which is diversity, equity and inclusion, central to his political project. He has said now that he's going to be cutting federal funding for schools that include it. We don't know exactly what that means. It's sort of open to interpretation.

You've said that Massachusetts schools are going to stay true to themselves. What do you mean by that?

You've said that Massachusetts schools are going to stay true to themselves. What do you mean by that?

Why do you think we're seeing such a backlash to DEI, though? You know, people have expressed that they do feel that sort of mandated diversity, equity, and inclusion, they feel that it hasn't been beneficial to relations between races and ethnicities, and that, you know, there is a feeling specifically on the right that this has become a sort of left-wing orthodoxy.

Why do you think we're seeing such a backlash to DEI, though? You know, people have expressed that they do feel that sort of mandated diversity, equity, and inclusion, they feel that it hasn't been beneficial to relations between races and ethnicities, and that, you know, there is a feeling specifically on the right that this has become a sort of left-wing orthodoxy.

You were, as you mentioned, the country's first openly gay attorney general. Prior to that, you worked in the civil rights division of the AG's office, where you led the first successful challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. I sued President Obama. You did.

You were, as you mentioned, the country's first openly gay attorney general. Prior to that, you worked in the civil rights division of the AG's office, where you led the first successful challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. I sued President Obama. You did.

There is some concern among Democrats that after Roe v. Wade, we are going to see Obergefell, the Supreme Court's decision that made gay marriage legal at the federal level, overturned. Next.

There is some concern among Democrats that after Roe v. Wade, we are going to see Obergefell, the Supreme Court's decision that made gay marriage legal at the federal level, overturned. Next.

And there was a huge amount of fury after Roe fell, but that dissipated. A lot of Democrats thought in this election that Roe was going to be something that was going to galvanize people, and it didn't enough. And so I guess when you look at marriage equality— Does it seem more imminent to you that perhaps people won't stand up for the things that seem to have been settled?

And there was a huge amount of fury after Roe fell, but that dissipated. A lot of Democrats thought in this election that Roe was going to be something that was going to galvanize people, and it didn't enough. And so I guess when you look at marriage equality— Does it seem more imminent to you that perhaps people won't stand up for the things that seem to have been settled?

Were you surprised to see the level of importance that trans rights had in this election? And do you think Democrats misread the electorate on the issue, as Seth Moulton, the representative from your own state, said?

Were you surprised to see the level of importance that trans rights had in this election? And do you think Democrats misread the electorate on the issue, as Seth Moulton, the representative from your own state, said?

Barring change to the Constitution, President Trump can't be reelected.

Barring change to the Constitution, President Trump can't be reelected.

You know, when I speak to Democratic voters— There is an enormous amount of anger towards the Democratic Party that allowed this to happen. They look at this and they say it was the failure of the Democratic Party that opened the door to Donald Trump coming in. And I just wonder, as a sitting governor and a Democrat, how you respond to that. I agree.

You know, when I speak to Democratic voters— There is an enormous amount of anger towards the Democratic Party that allowed this to happen. They look at this and they say it was the failure of the Democratic Party that opened the door to Donald Trump coming in. And I just wonder, as a sitting governor and a Democrat, how you respond to that. I agree.

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