Lulu Garcia Navarro

A traveler. And then the third one was as a pilgrim.

A traveler. And then the third one was as a pilgrim.

Explain to me the third one. I get the distinction between the first two.

Explain to me the third one. I get the distinction between the first two.

I'm listening to you talk, and the philosophy is beautiful. This idea of communion with the world, with connection with other people. But there is a shift happening in the world right now, I think, towards isolationism, nativism, a fundamental suspicion of difference. We're in a world that travels... More than it ever has. And yet, what seems to be happening is not what you would hope.

I'm listening to you talk, and the philosophy is beautiful. This idea of communion with the world, with connection with other people. But there is a shift happening in the world right now, I think, towards isolationism, nativism, a fundamental suspicion of difference. We're in a world that travels... More than it ever has. And yet, what seems to be happening is not what you would hope.

And I'm just wondering what you make of those changes.

And I'm just wondering what you make of those changes.

But isn't that what a guidebook is ultimately? It's, I mean, they're just placing value on a different thing, which is an image and a place. But I mean, a guidebook points you to a certain direction and tells you this is the thing that you need to go do in this particular place.

But isn't that what a guidebook is ultimately? It's, I mean, they're just placing value on a different thing, which is an image and a place. But I mean, a guidebook points you to a certain direction and tells you this is the thing that you need to go do in this particular place.

Do you think social media is ruining travel? I'm thinking about how most people I know, especially younger people, get their travel recommendations from TikTok and from Instagram.

Do you think social media is ruining travel? I'm thinking about how most people I know, especially younger people, get their travel recommendations from TikTok and from Instagram.

We've seen protests in Europe over tourism. In Barcelona, residents this summer were squirting visitors with water guns and chanting things like, tourists go home.

We've seen protests in Europe over tourism. In Barcelona, residents this summer were squirting visitors with water guns and chanting things like, tourists go home.

Is there anywhere that you regret having popularized?

Is there anywhere that you regret having popularized?

So wait, I'm hearing a lot of different things.

So wait, I'm hearing a lot of different things.

How do you feel about that transformation? Because there's the good stuff, they're affluent, but then there's the bad stuff that their way of life is changing, which is at the center of this industry that you've given your life to.

How do you feel about that transformation? Because there's the good stuff, they're affluent, but then there's the bad stuff that their way of life is changing, which is at the center of this industry that you've given your life to.