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Has it given you more of an urgency to do things you haven't done before?

Has it given you more of an urgency to do things you haven't done before?

I just want to stay for a moment with that idea of regret. I mean, what happened, the sacrifices of being on the road so much? Because You have spent such a huge portion of your life going out elsewhere and discovering and exploring.

I just want to stay for a moment with that idea of regret. I mean, what happened, the sacrifices of being on the road so much? Because You have spent such a huge portion of your life going out elsewhere and discovering and exploring.

Well, it's interesting. You use two different words. One is mission and one is choice. I mean, mission sounds like it's a calling and that it doesn't feel like it's a choice, that it doesn't feel like it's optional.

Well, it's interesting. You use two different words. One is mission and one is choice. I mean, mission sounds like it's a calling and that it doesn't feel like it's a choice, that it doesn't feel like it's optional.

And it relates to this idea that you have talked about with me, which is of being a pilgrim. It seems like the way that you view your career has been infused with this sense of a calling, of something greater than yourself that you're trying to do.

And it relates to this idea that you have talked about with me, which is of being a pilgrim. It seems like the way that you view your career has been infused with this sense of a calling, of something greater than yourself that you're trying to do.

If you couldn't travel anymore or you had to travel differently because of age or sickness or something else, do you worry that that would be a big identity shift for you?

If you couldn't travel anymore or you had to travel differently because of age or sickness or something else, do you worry that that would be a big identity shift for you?

Okay. What place, if I'm going to Europe, should I skip? And what place can't I miss? I've stumped Rick Steves.

Okay. What place, if I'm going to Europe, should I skip? And what place can't I miss? I've stumped Rick Steves.

Rick Steves, thank you very much. I appreciate your time.

Rick Steves, thank you very much. I appreciate your time.

That's Rick Steves. His new book, On the Hippie Trail, publishes early next year. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Afim Shapiro and Sophia Landman. Original music by Dan Powell, Alicia Baitube, Pat McCusker, Leah Shaw-Dameron, and Marion Lozano. Photography by Devin Yalkin.

That's Rick Steves. His new book, On the Hippie Trail, publishes early next year. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Afim Shapiro and Sophia Landman. Original music by Dan Powell, Alicia Baitube, Pat McCusker, Leah Shaw-Dameron, and Marion Lozano. Photography by Devin Yalkin.

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