Lulu Miller

I can see Matt.

You don't need to see me.

And my mom, Beth McEwen.

They're just going to ask him, what do you make of this?

How does it make you feel?

Well, the childhood part, I mean, I can relate just love.

And then, you know, to reach a point where anytime you say something, you get this negative cut.

I know.

It's a little painful.

But, you know, the way we think about it is that, you know, adolescence is this important time of life where you're starting to shift to your friends and peers.

And this is an important part of development for kind of charting a path and independent life.

And this was something both our moms acknowledged.

Yeah, it's like your mom's voice is your whole world when you're a little kid.

And then you, it's like your job to turn away from that and start building the world that you will step into with all these other voices somehow.

Like you're, I don't know, the rejection of the mom's voice is a beginning of finding your own.

Right.

Like I remember being in eighth grade and the quote unquote other voices around me were like,

skater kids and that's what i was trying to become yeah and you're trying out like it's funny when you were trying to be a skater kid i was probably pretending to be a horse so like i'm not sure what uh what that says nothing good nothing good guys nothing good but yeah it's the same thing of like bye mom

But it swings back around to the parent, the mom, eventually, right?

Like when my kid's 40.