Lynne Thoman

And what are the three takeaways you'd like to leave the audience with today?

And what are the three takeaways you'd like to leave the audience with today?

I love that insight about the context. Thank you, Tyler. This has been wonderful. I really enjoyed your books, Talent and Big Business.

I love that insight about the context. Thank you, Tyler. This has been wonderful. I really enjoyed your books, Talent and Big Business.

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I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. Thanks for listening.

I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. Thanks for listening.

I'm going to start today's episode by asking one of my guests to read aloud from his recent Foreign Affairs article. Kurt, please go ahead.

I'm going to start today's episode by asking one of my guests to read aloud from his recent Foreign Affairs article. Kurt, please go ahead.

So even if China's growth slows, it will remain formidable. That raises two questions. Are we underestimating China? And what would a smart U.S. strategy toward China be? Hi, everyone. I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists.

So even if China's growth slows, it will remain formidable. That raises two questions. Are we underestimating China? And what would a smart U.S. strategy toward China be? Hi, everyone. I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists.

Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better. Today, I'm excited to be with Kurt Campbell and Rush Doshi. Kurt served as the United States Deputy Secretary of State, and before that, as Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. He is currently Chairman and CEO of the Asia Group.

Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better. Today, I'm excited to be with Kurt Campbell and Rush Doshi. Kurt served as the United States Deputy Secretary of State, and before that, as Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. He is currently Chairman and CEO of the Asia Group.

Rush Doshi served at the National Security Council as Deputy Senior Director for China and Taiwan. He is currently Director of the China Strategy Initiative at the Council on Foreign Relations. Kurt and Rush are the co-authors of the recent article, Underestimating China in Foreign Affairs Magazine.

Rush Doshi served at the National Security Council as Deputy Senior Director for China and Taiwan. He is currently Director of the China Strategy Initiative at the Council on Foreign Relations. Kurt and Rush are the co-authors of the recent article, Underestimating China in Foreign Affairs Magazine.

I'm looking forward to finding out how we are underestimating China and what a smart and effective U.S. strategy toward China would be. Welcome, Kurt and Rush, and thank you both so much for joining Three Takeaways today.

I'm looking forward to finding out how we are underestimating China and what a smart and effective U.S. strategy toward China would be. Welcome, Kurt and Rush, and thank you both so much for joining Three Takeaways today.

pleasure is mine. Kurt and Rush, your arguments on China are fundamentally based on China's scale. So before we talk about the US and China, can you put the power of nations and the importance of scale in a historical perspective?

pleasure is mine. Kurt and Rush, your arguments on China are fundamentally based on China's scale. So before we talk about the US and China, can you put the power of nations and the importance of scale in a historical perspective?