Lyssa McGowan

Yeah, no, I have a great board, actually. I'm very lucky. And I sat down before I joined with my chairman, Ian, and Ian's coached a number of first-time CEOs into CEO positions, really experienced. And he actually had like a five-page document that talked about his role versus my role. And we worked through it.

Yeah, no, I have a great board, actually. I'm very lucky. And I sat down before I joined with my chairman, Ian, and Ian's coached a number of first-time CEOs into CEO positions, really experienced. And he actually had like a five-page document that talked about his role versus my role. And we worked through it.

And I think that was just so helpful to kind of figure out and have those discussions up front before we got into the actual job.

And I think that was just so helpful to kind of figure out and have those discussions up front before we got into the actual job.

And I think that was just so helpful to kind of figure out and have those discussions up front before we got into the actual job.

I think the right boards have a good mix of challenge and support, right? Because that just like the right execs and the right businesses. So I think being open to challenge and not being defensive and not misinterpreting challenges kind of, you know, something else is quite important. So because in the end, NEDs want to be helpful, right? They turn up 10 or 12 times a year,

I think the right boards have a good mix of challenge and support, right? Because that just like the right execs and the right businesses. So I think being open to challenge and not being defensive and not misinterpreting challenges kind of, you know, something else is quite important. So because in the end, NEDs want to be helpful, right? They turn up 10 or 12 times a year,

I think the right boards have a good mix of challenge and support, right? Because that just like the right execs and the right businesses. So I think being open to challenge and not being defensive and not misinterpreting challenges kind of, you know, something else is quite important. So because in the end, NEDs want to be helpful, right? They turn up 10 or 12 times a year,

They want to be useful and they want to get engaged. So the more you invite them in, the more you're going to get out of them. And I know that from being a NED. It's very easy not to be defensive at the beginning because the problems aren't really your problems. But two or three years in, you know, they are actually critiquing things you've done and advising you to do things differently.

They want to be useful and they want to get engaged. So the more you invite them in, the more you're going to get out of them. And I know that from being a NED. It's very easy not to be defensive at the beginning because the problems aren't really your problems. But two or three years in, you know, they are actually critiquing things you've done and advising you to do things differently.

They want to be useful and they want to get engaged. So the more you invite them in, the more you're going to get out of them. And I know that from being a NED. It's very easy not to be defensive at the beginning because the problems aren't really your problems. But two or three years in, you know, they are actually critiquing things you've done and advising you to do things differently.

And I think staying non-defensive and open is probably harder than starting that way.

And I think staying non-defensive and open is probably harder than starting that way.

And I think staying non-defensive and open is probably harder than starting that way.

Cross between a Labrador and a Border Collie.

Cross between a Labrador and a Border Collie.

Cross between a Labrador and a Border Collie.

I don't know what you call that. A Collie... I don't know.

I don't know what you call that. A Collie... I don't know.

I don't know what you call that. A Collie... I don't know.