Madhupe Akinnola

And if it's chocolate clocks that does it for you, then make chocolate clocks, you know?

I mean, to that point of what tools or what requires human connection, you made me think about how we think about hiring and recruiting people.

One thing that has been really disappointing that I've heard from folks who are like looking for jobs or looking to transfer within their organizations is the sheer number of interviews that they're having.

There are people who are having 10 to 20 interviews a

Because now we can do it online and then still not even getting the job and then not even getting information saying that they didn't get the job.

They just have to assume that if you get ghosted, this is insane.

Yeah.

This is insane and it's problematic because I do think it also introduces more bias because the more people you see, the more certain biases might be augmented depending on your background, depending on so many different features or factors.

I mean, I think that...

The point is for our digital systems to become efficient enough that they're not weeding out in a way that replicates inequality, right?

Or they're able to really understand and attend to who would be a good fit and why and whatever.

So I think we need to pay more attention to that.

And how we still haven't figured out how to be equitable in our ways of recruiting and retaining people.

On the flip side of that, I was talking to a friend who works at a consulting company.

And he said that they've been really good about how they do their interviews.

Usually they used to just, you know, see a bunch of people and then each interviewer would like rank order.

the person and then, you know, make a decision, but they don't rank order anymore.

They kind of put people in buckets of A, B, C, and D type of thing.

So whereas before you might've been a one, two, or three, if you're in the A bucket, it kind of makes it easier for people not to be biased because they're not saying, is it right for me to select a three over a two?

But instead of saying, no, these are all A's, and we can pick out of these A's.